Where’s the practice, though?

These are the practice! Join/Start cooperatives. Join/Start worker’s unions!. Join/Start neighborhood communes and so on! Anarchism is all about action right now!

Also, none of this is mutually exclusive with harm reduction.

First of all, elections are not “harm reduction”. Actual harm reduction is actually doing what I wrote above.

Second of all, yes it is. You cannot put your effort into direct action for mutual aid, AND waste your time electioneering as well.

Are you a god damned child?

Yes. Action for the sake of action is fascist. Wjat these damn dirty commies dont understand is that actually doing anything ever is the real fascism

And then we really would be no better than the red team!

How many peaceful revolutions do you know of, not many im aware of…

No, we prevented the genocide by not voting for Kamala. Problem is clearly solved.

Lol revolutions have happened in far worse political climates than Trump. You’re delusional if you think a worsening social situation makes revolutions less likely or “fucking up”.

As the person you’re replying to said, the original argument made is that it’s enough to vote to maintain their respect. Therefore they’re not doing anything else.

Now fuck off from anarchist spaces with your moralizing about useless electoralism. You have the rest of lemmy for that shite.

Well, let’s see… My grandparents Medicare, my LGBTQ friends and family members rights, retirement savings, what little healthcare we actually had before, literally climate and the ability to live at or near the equator and coasts… Didn’t even have to google any of that. I guess if you want the full list, you can read project 2025, and the also draw conclusions from related activities. Oh, vaccine availability and herd immunity. 1st Amendment rights. Habeas corpus just to tack on a few more there.

But why worry about that when you can decry THE LIBS for trying to avert catastrophe? Don’t the LIBS know that just averting catastrophe won’t bring about utopia?

You are either playing to win

Win what, liberal? Four more years of liberals doing absolutely everything in their power to make life easier for fascists?

Well, let’s see…

Oh… you mean those things your precious liberal racketeers haven’t lifted a finger to protect in any way whatsoever? Do tell, genius - what did your “good cop” overlords do when the fascists took away Roe vs. Wade? What did they do when Trump sicced a white supremacist lynch mob on the US capitol?

Except tell you to “vote harder,” that is?

Again… wake the fuck up.

So Harris would have kept ICE then, got it.

The state, something that anarchists famously believe is made by and for the people.

Clearly didnt even read your ballot. Fucking shameful. This is why we’re being ruled by fascists.

Pah, Greek democracy was interesting, but very limited given how narrow their Deimos was with women, foreign residents and slaves not counting.

Yes really, it was considered a failure despite those well-documented centuries.

“Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

— James Madison, Federalist Papers 10 & 51

Millions of people routinely starved in pre-Soviet Russia and you don’t seem to have a problem with it. Soviets ended hunger after WW2 through the mechanisation of agriculture, as all countries which eliminated hunger did. Suffering famines during civil wars, during Nazi invasion of your territory, and during mass collectivisation processes, isn’t exclusive to the Soviet Union, it’s a rather common thing in preindustrial societies as the Soviet Union was at that time. That’s in opposition to England murdering many millions more of Indians in the Bengal famine during WW2 by purposefully extracting essentially all food from some regions of India.

your legacy gets to be sending out late night death squads to kill dissenters

Thats just, like, your opinion, dude. The legacy of the Soviet Union (a project much greater than a single man who was president for less than 3 decades of the project) saved Europe from Nazism (saving tens if not hundreds of millions of lives in the process), industrialised 300 million people without abusing colonialism and extraction of resources and labour from the global south, rose life expectancy from 28 years to 70, guaranteed free education to the highest level to all women and men of the country, produced the lowest historically recorded levels of inequality in the region, and eliminated homelessness and unemployment.

Stop swallowing and spreading western anticommunist propaganda, the evil is the western empire oppressing billions in the global south, not a country that suffered famines during land collectivisation.

And what’s your plan to get that done? What, you’re going to convince wealthy politicians to give you those things, and piss off their donors, just out of the goodness of their hearts? What about when they don’t do that, are you going to find your backbone and criticize them directly instead of turning all of your vitriol to the left of you?

No, of course not. Your plan is to vote harder and throw up your hands when the things we desperately need as a class are explicitly left off the table; spoiling the vote, btw; because the things that would really get people out to vote, across party lines, just happen to be things that go against the interests of the ruling class. Then you’ll shout at the rest of us for “dividing the left” when we point out the fucking obvious that those who derive power from capital are not going to give up that power voluntarily and the whole thing was smoke and mirrors to keep you invested in the system that affords them that power.

We as a class will need to organize and build class consciousness so that we can pull our collective power together and use it to force the hand of the ruling class. That’s what a realistic plan looks like. That is the only way meaningful change has ever been wrought about in this country.

Support working class politics. Support public ownership. Essentially, become a working class state. Outlaw fascist rhetoric. Redistribute wealth from billionaires to the working class. The main reason that fascist media organizations exist is because billionaires do. They wouldn’t be able to mass indoctrinate if they did not have essentially boundless economic power. Fascists won in Germany and America both because of media dominance and manipulation of the western liberal political system. In very comparable ways honestly.

The German democracy failed to respond in any way to the rise of the fascists. The only political party attempting any actual resistance of the fascists was the communists. The conservative and liberal parties were more interested in combating the communists than they were about combating the fascists. It was more important to them that the institutions of capital remains unaffected than fascism being stopped. They could have never let Hitler step foot out of a jail cell again. They honestly could’ve shot him, and a fair number of his nazi party upper echelon. People were calling for it, literally. Most people believe that Hitler mass indoctrinated all of Germany and won a landslide election and from there dismantled German democracy. That actually isnt true though. The final fair and democratic elections in Weimar Germany resulted in an extremely slim victory for the Nazi party. The communists were very close behind them. And in turn were conservatives and social democrats close behind the communists. On the whole, the majority of the nation voted for other parties. Once a bad actor was chancellor, all he had to do was find an excuse to enact emergency powers. He was handed the best possible opportunity on a silver platter by a young communist who was doing his part to fight back. If only others had followed his example, maybe history wouldve ended differently. As it was, Hitler enacted emergency powers to suspend all civil liberties in Germany. He banned the communists from any political organization and started literally rounding up communists and communist politicians and putting them in concentration camps. This was in 1933. The first camps were for communists. Then when Hindenburg died a short while later there was literally nothing standing between him and pure absolute dictatorship.

He could’ve been stopped at many points if liberal democracy was an ideology that prioritized the rights of the working class. If they had had an aim whatsoever of stopping fascism, it was preventable. Much like the democratic party though, their primary aims were to protect the ruling class of capitalists and the institutions that allow them to steal working class labor.