If you could have voted, didn’t vote for Harris, and aren’t actively out in the streets hucking bricks at ICE and trumpers, then I have no respect for you.
You played the game and you played to lose. You played to lose when we had everything to lose, and nothing to gain. You made the 4th worst choice I can think of in the last 30 years.
By voting (or just not voting) you participated in the system. If you want to be against the system, then you need to overthrow it.
You played to lose, which was dumb, and you played to lose when there was nothing to gain, and everything to lose (which is even more dumb). If you aren’t burning shit, then you never actually cared enough to be against it, you’re an apathetic asshole who squandered their only voice to say “I don’t care if the facists win, Kamala isn’t perfect and I can’t stand that”. You may not have voted for trump, but you sure as fuck voted for all of this. I have no respect for the people that lack neither the intelligence to make the right decisions, nor the conviction to live with the consequences of making the wrong one.
So you admit to gaslighting, then. Plus one for honesty, I guess.
By voting (or just not voting) you participated in the system.
Soooo… neither participating nor not participating means anything - is that correct?
and everything to lose
LOL! Lose what, genius? Did you really think that glorified pig was going to actually protect you from the fascists? I guess you don’t understand why the libs institutionalised that very thing we call “fascism” today in the first place, huh?
By voting (or just not voting) you participated in the system.
Soooo… neither participating nor not participating means anything - is that correct?
Couldn’t be more wrong. You are either playing to win, not playing to win, or not playing. In a 2 party system, a non-vote is the same decision as a vote. If you want to not play, then you need to be hostile to the system.
LOL! Lose what, genius?
Well, let’s see… My grandparents Medicare, my LGBTQ friends and family members rights, retirement savings, what little healthcare we actually had before, literally climate and the ability to live at or near the equator and coasts… Didn’t even have to google any of that. I guess if you want the full list, you can read project 2025, and the also draw conclusions from related activities. Oh, vaccine availability and herd immunity. 1st Amendment rights. Habeas corpus just to tack on a few more there.
You wake the fuck up and look and the fucking mess you made because a perfect person wasn’t put up against Orange Hitler.
Well, let’s see… My grandparents Medicare, my LGBTQ friends and family members rights, retirement savings, what little healthcare we actually had before, literally climate and the ability to live at or near the equator and coasts… Didn’t even have to google any of that. I guess if you want the full list, you can read project 2025, and the also draw conclusions from related activities. Oh, vaccine availability and herd immunity. 1st Amendment rights. Habeas corpus just to tack on a few more there.
But why worry about that when you can decry THE LIBS for trying to avert catastrophe? Don’t the LIBS know that just averting catastrophe won’t bring about utopia?
Win what, liberal? Four more years of liberals doing absolutely everything in their power to make life easier for fascists?
Well, let’s see…
Oh… you mean those things your precious liberal racketeers haven’t lifted a finger to protect in any way whatsoever? Do tell, genius - what did your “good cop” overlords do when the fascists took away Roe vs. Wade? What did they do when Trump sicced a white supremacist lynch mob on the US capitol?
Palestine is doing great! Economy has never been better and inflation is under control! People aren’t being rounded up and sent to extra-national torture prisons without a trial. The world you’ve heralded in is just doing so fucking great!
About that… how is that lie - oops, sorry, I meant to say “prediction your ilk peddled” - that Trump was going to be (supposedly) “worse” for Palestine turn out?
Your liberal-funded genocide - which the people you voted for enabled, of course - now looks pretty much the exact same as it did under Genocide Joe.
Do tell… will you be peddling this same lie again in four years’ time?
Perfect example of the lib thinking that just voting means they actually did something so they don’t have to do any direct action. Which is of course why your country inevitably goes to shit.
Bytemeister didn’t say they don’t have to do any direct action. You made that up out of nothing.
You have to do both. That’s what Bytemeister is saying. If you didn’t vote, and you’re not actively in rebellion, then claiming you’re the side who does direct action is an obvious lie. And they’re right, you are lying. You’re tanking our chances of overthrowing the government through revolution.
if not (voted for Harris) and not (actively out in the streets)
then (no respect for you)
And requires that both conditions are true. So if you voted for Harris, then at most one condition is true, and Bytemeister’s respect for you remains at its current level.
Yeah, if you voted for Harris, then you’re not actively fucking up the revolution by making the secret police bolder, so you don’t have to make up for it by hucking bricks at ICE. You’ve proven that you have the long term thinking required to participate in organisation through safer methods like unionising, rallying, helping organise, weapons training, and recruiting.
But if someone didn’t vote for bullshit reasons, they let Trump escalate the ICE deportations and concentration camps. They made things harder for the revolution. They’re not a useful member and they should go remove themself from the situation with a glorious final stand.
Lol revolutions have happened in far worse political climates than Trump. You’re delusional if you think a worsening social situation makes revolutions less likely or “fucking up”.
As the person you’re replying to said, the original argument made is that it’s enough to vote to maintain their respect. Therefore they’re not doing anything else.
Now fuck off from anarchist spaces with your moralizing about useless electoralism. You have the rest of lemmy for that shite.
Your post is moralising about electoralism. It’s just moralising against electoralism. And it’s a useless waste of my and other anarchists’ time. Infighting over pointless bullshit instead of talking about direct action. Complaining about the anarchists who do things you don’t like one day a year isn’t getting us any closer to a revolution.
Electoralism isn’t about 1 day a year. There’s immense amount of volunteer resources and time wasted on this farce in the previous years. And the more we pretend electoralism is useful, the more justified they feel in wasting those resources.
And my post is just a meme. You don’t have to “waste your time” on it.
Probably, since ICE was created by Congress as part of the 2002 Homeland Security Act. The President oversees it, but funding and removing the organization is a power of congress and not the president. You would know that if you bothered to learn a little bit before forming opinions.
“You see we need to keep the Gastapo, parliament passed it so why stop it?”
I understand Harris can’t write bills as president, you dingus. A president has sway over their party. What Biden wanted, Dems pushed. What Trump wants, Republicans demand.
If Harris, a brown woman said “Hey ICE is a racist police organization made post-9/11 to go after brown people, let’s push to get rid of it” that would spark movement in Congress.
If you could have voted, didn’t vote for Harris, and aren’t actively out in the streets hucking bricks at ICE and trumpers, then I have no respect for you.
You played the game and you played to lose. You played to lose when we had everything to lose, and nothing to gain. You made the 4th worst choice I can think of in the last 30 years.
Shouldn’t you be spending your gaslighting budget on your fellow liberals who actually understand what the term genocide means, liberal?
It’s not gaslighting if it’s the truth.
By voting (or just not voting) you participated in the system. If you want to be against the system, then you need to overthrow it.
You played to lose, which was dumb, and you played to lose when there was nothing to gain, and everything to lose (which is even more dumb). If you aren’t burning shit, then you never actually cared enough to be against it, you’re an apathetic asshole who squandered their only voice to say “I don’t care if the facists win, Kamala isn’t perfect and I can’t stand that”. You may not have voted for trump, but you sure as fuck voted for all of this. I have no respect for the people that lack neither the intelligence to make the right decisions, nor the conviction to live with the consequences of making the wrong one.
So you admit to gaslighting, then. Plus one for honesty, I guess.
Soooo… neither participating nor not participating means anything - is that correct?
LOL! Lose what, genius? Did you really think that glorified pig was going to actually protect you from the fascists? I guess you don’t understand why the libs institutionalised that very thing we call “fascism” today in the first place, huh?
Wake the fuck up.
Couldn’t be more wrong. You are either playing to win, not playing to win, or not playing. In a 2 party system, a non-vote is the same decision as a vote. If you want to not play, then you need to be hostile to the system.
Well, let’s see… My grandparents Medicare, my LGBTQ friends and family members rights, retirement savings, what little healthcare we actually had before, literally climate and the ability to live at or near the equator and coasts… Didn’t even have to google any of that. I guess if you want the full list, you can read project 2025, and the also draw conclusions from related activities. Oh, vaccine availability and herd immunity. 1st Amendment rights. Habeas corpus just to tack on a few more there.
You wake the fuck up and look and the fucking mess you made because a perfect person wasn’t put up against Orange Hitler.
But why worry about that when you can decry THE LIBS for trying to avert catastrophe? Don’t the LIBS know that just averting catastrophe won’t bring about utopia?
Win what, liberal? Four more years of liberals doing absolutely everything in their power to make life easier for fascists?
Oh… you mean those things your precious liberal racketeers haven’t lifted a finger to protect in any way whatsoever? Do tell, genius - what did your “good cop” overlords do when the fascists took away Roe vs. Wade? What did they do when Trump sicced a white supremacist lynch mob on the US capitol?
Except tell you to “vote harder,” that is?
Again… wake the fuck up.
Your plan is working so well right now!
Palestine is doing great! Economy has never been better and inflation is under control! People aren’t being rounded up and sent to extra-national torture prisons without a trial. The world you’ve heralded in is just doing so fucking great!
About that… how is that lie - oops, sorry, I meant to say “prediction your ilk peddled” - that Trump was going to be (supposedly) “worse” for Palestine turn out?
Your liberal-funded genocide - which the people you voted for enabled, of course - now looks pretty much the exact same as it did under Genocide Joe.
Do tell… will you be peddling this same lie again in four years’ time?
Perfect example of the lib thinking that just voting means they actually did something so they don’t have to do any direct action. Which is of course why your country inevitably goes to shit.
Bytemeister didn’t say they don’t have to do any direct action. You made that up out of nothing.
You have to do both. That’s what Bytemeister is saying. If you didn’t vote, and you’re not actively in rebellion, then claiming you’re the side who does direct action is an obvious lie. And they’re right, you are lying. You’re tanking our chances of overthrowing the government through revolution.
And requires that both conditions are true. So if you voted for Harris, then at most one condition is true, and Bytemeister’s respect for you remains at its current level.
Yeah, if you voted for Harris, then you’re not actively fucking up the revolution by making the secret police bolder, so you don’t have to make up for it by hucking bricks at ICE. You’ve proven that you have the long term thinking required to participate in organisation through safer methods like unionising, rallying, helping organise, weapons training, and recruiting.
But if someone didn’t vote for bullshit reasons, they let Trump escalate the ICE deportations and concentration camps. They made things harder for the revolution. They’re not a useful member and they should go remove themself from the situation with a glorious final stand.
Lol revolutions have happened in far worse political climates than Trump. You’re delusional if you think a worsening social situation makes revolutions less likely or “fucking up”.
As the person you’re replying to said, the original argument made is that it’s enough to vote to maintain their respect. Therefore they’re not doing anything else.
Now fuck off from anarchist spaces with your moralizing about useless electoralism. You have the rest of lemmy for that shite.
Your post is moralising about electoralism. It’s just moralising against electoralism. And it’s a useless waste of my and other anarchists’ time. Infighting over pointless bullshit instead of talking about direct action. Complaining about the anarchists who do things you don’t like one day a year isn’t getting us any closer to a revolution.
Electoralism isn’t about 1 day a year. There’s immense amount of volunteer resources and time wasted on this farce in the previous years. And the more we pretend electoralism is useful, the more justified they feel in wasting those resources.
And my post is just a meme. You don’t have to “waste your time” on it.
I thought claiming nobody has to take their jokes seriously was a conservative thing
Harris would have abolished ICE and gotten rid of the cages that Trump set up and Biden ignored, right?
…Right?
Nah you’re right. Good thing trump is getting rid of them…OH WAIT.
“What about Trump being evil?”
Yeah he’s fucking evil, good going dodging my question.
Sorry, couldn’t answer your question because I don’t live in an alternate reality where trump didn’t win. Maybe ask some of the other people here?
So Harris would have kept ICE then, got it.
Probably, since ICE was created by Congress as part of the 2002 Homeland Security Act. The President oversees it, but funding and removing the organization is a power of congress and not the president. You would know that if you bothered to learn a little bit before forming opinions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_Security_Act_of_2002
“You see we need to keep the Gastapo, parliament passed it so why stop it?”
I understand Harris can’t write bills as president, you dingus. A president has sway over their party. What Biden wanted, Dems pushed. What Trump wants, Republicans demand.
If Harris, a brown woman said “Hey ICE is a racist police organization made post-9/11 to go after brown people, let’s push to get rid of it” that would spark movement in Congress.
Then why the fuck are you confused about my answer? Sounds like you are disappointed by the fact that Harris was not all of congress as well?
No cages is obviously the ideal case. Fewer cages is obviously better than more cages, which was the choice at the polls.
“I don’t believe in voting” fine, enjoy the more cages option.