“Insurrectionists carrying foreign flags are attacking immigration enforcement officers, while one half of America’s political leadership has decided that border enforcement is evil,” Vice President JD Vance said in a post on X Saturday night.
Big yikes. “Insurrectionists”? Bloody hell.
How is a peaceful protest in LA an “Insurrection,” while violently attacking cops and raiding the Capitol to stop the certification of the vote, is not?
you know why
Yep, I do. It’s because they are Traitors and Criminals.
Anyone remember what this was from?
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”
That works until people the conservatives don’t like start arming up. Like Black Panthers.
AMERICA! IS FUCKED! NEVER COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE FUCKING DAY YEAH!
the point of protesting is the escalation. this is success.
The authorities wouldn’t send the National Guard if they thought they could just ignore you. So i’d say this is a success.
It’s really not
Trump doesn’t need to understand this for it to be true, but the gov right now depends a lot on opporating in the dark to get away with massively illegal and unethical actions that would harm public opinions and reactions. By forcing them to opporate in public with the press focused on the protests makes them face accountability.
“Quick! The Gestapo is running into resistance, send in the SS!”
They want another Kent State
Is it gonna be Kent State or Tiananmen Square?
First one, then the other
Could this be the start of the Second American Civil War?
Calm down Tim Poole
Realistically, the rioters are going to eventually be condemned by the peaceful protestors, and the general population will soon follow, thus giving support for law enforcement to squash them and end the fiasco. This has been the case for a loooooong time.
the rioters … peaceful protestors
Then the peaceful protestors don’t really care about advancing the cause they’re protesting for.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-the-failure-of-nonviolence
Ah yes, I’m sure those peaceful protesters during the civil rights movement didn’t care about the cause they were protesting for.
The civil rights movement succeeded because the authorities were made to realize that if they didn’t play ball with MLK, folks like Malcolm X and Huey Newton were the alternative.
That’s just false, civil rights weren’t achieved through intimidation. The movement succeeded because it achieved it’s objective through peaceful means. The movement organized peaceful protests to raise awareness and bring attention to the issues, they organized and fought legal battles challenging the status quo, they created institutions to help campaign for their causes, and disavowed violence to win over the general public. It is the prime example in history what peaceful protesting can achieve.
The civil rights movement is not alone, other movements like the suffragette movements in the West, the Salt Marches in India, the Singing revolution in the Baltics, and so on all achieved momentous things peacefully.
I linked to a literal book that argues otherwise.
I don’t get it
Why do you want to prevent ICE from deporting illegal immigrants?
Why do you want illegal immigrants to stay here so bad?
Alright, I’ll bite.
Because I would much rather ICE spend its resources preventing IMs from entering the country, rather than rounding up IMs who have been living here peacefully for 20+ years.
Because—and I’m willing to debate the utility of this—a significant portion of our agricultural economy depends on IMs who will work below the standard of living legally required for our citizens.
Because the vast majority of IMs are just people seeking asylum from cartels and/or horrible dictatorial governments and are not a threat to the American way of life.
Because IMs by and large do not “steal” jobs from American workers but rather do jobs most Americans would never consider doing. See said issue with our agricultural sector.
Now, let’s hear your reasons for wanting to spend the immense amount of money necessary to find and deport these people. Because I’m sure your arguments are incredibly well thought out.
I would argue that instead of ICE, we should have a vastly expanded IRS to enforce regulations upon businesses. For example, every business is assigned state and federal accountants, who check that the books are legit. These accountants are regularly rotated by the nation, so that companies can’t establish “working” relationships with any given accountant, which reduces corruption.
This would increase the amount of money that government receives from the 1%, along with helping prevent wage theft or other criminal activities. Businesses, not migrants, are innately prone to corruption.
I would argue that instead of ICE
Why instead of ICE? These are not mutually exclusive things and they don’t even address the same problems.
The money spent on ICE, can be used to enforce regulations. The wealthy don’t like that, and would prefer us to focus on bullying the little people. It wastes our time and attention, so that genuine criminals can get away with casual crimes. In the US, the largest form of theft is wage theft, and I would argue that paying migrants below minimum wage is also theft.
While there will always be a need for some sort of physical authority, we can probably cut 90% of physical agencies, and use that budget for more useful things. For example, mental health outtreach programs that provide free therapy, genuine shelter and food without strings for the homeless, and so forth.
That is why if there are any physical enforcement, agencies need to have very specific missions, tight rules, and to be built from the ground up for the purpose. The majority of police in America were originally slave catchers, but became what we call police over the centuries. That brutal character inherently poisoned our physical enforcement institutions. Outright deleting ICE and other existing agencies, and then building new ones without legacy personnel, would promote peace.
While I would agree ICE and most police agencies need a thorough cleansing to purge them of racists, we can’t just get rid of 90% of them and start from scratch. That’s too big a transition. It needs to be done gradually to ensure se always have a police force and some form of illegal immigration deterrence.
I obviously do think we should be taxing the crap out of corporations. The top 1% isn’t really individual rich people, but the corporations they own. I would also advocate ending “corporate personhood.” That would be a big step in the right direction, as would reversing the Citizens United ruling or better yet, passing a law that makes it moot.
We can start from scratch - kill one department and replace it at a time. We probably could hire from Finland and other countries abroad to start clean-sheet academies to raise our first decade or so of officers. They put a great deal of effort and time into training their police, and we can pay them for services rendered. Finland might appreciate our supply of MRAPs and other surplus military gear, considering who they share borders with.
LOL, you want to hire foreign police to replace entire PDs in America? And how do you think Americans would feel about being policed by foreigners? Hell, what makes you think foreigners would want to police Americans? Please, name me one historical instance of this working, let alone having happened.
It would be one thing to take cues from European police forces to change the culture and tactics of American police forces, which I would totally support, but actually bringing foreign cops here to replace American cops? No way. Not a chance in hell that would work.
“…The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire’s authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.*
-Karis Nemik, Andor
So beautifully written. Andor is the best tv of the decade.
