thank you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#100%_human_simple_summaries?

The only source I would trust here that you linked is the famous 1998 CJR article. It just points out the misnomer caused by what we call the incident to point out that mass killings happened elsewhere while students were peacefully evacuated from the square itself. Of course I also trust the photos you linked are real. But just like the aforementioned myth (also explored by the CJR article), you perpetuate the myth of the crackdown being on primarily student protests when far far more of the dead were of the inspired workers’ protest, especially those killed as the army was heading into Tiananmen. Such violent crackdowns made it so Deng could not recover his influence until 1992.

Yes, students did stone and kill soldiers and Molotov APCs, including the lynching of (just) one soldier as depicted in the photos. But that does not justify the hundreds of protestors killed with live ammunition. Yes, there was no carnage in the square during the Tiananmen square massacres. Misnomers abound. But as a person I try to get others to understand me in communication. Yes, the “Tiananmen square” part is a misnomer. But who’s gonna understand me if I go about every day saying “June Fourth Incident”? Not to mention a lot of the killings were also committed around 11 PM the previous day.

I also did a bit of a misnomer: It’s dubious whether you could define the mass killings as massacres. My point was that China ordered the army to do what they did. It sounds to me like Kirp was characterizing the other regions’ hatred to blame for what happened around Tiananmen, which hopefully we can agree was not what happened.

China gave orders to massacre, so it’s no surprise they got a massacre.

Since that’s organized under each state they probably feel good about their own states.

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