In Austin, police were forced to use pepper spray and tear gas…
i’m sorry, who is forcing the police to do this? it seems like they are willingly doing this, not being forced.
They wanted to play with their military grade toys, and live targets got them salivating like the predators they are.
So you see, “forced”.
Woah, inflammatory language! Not all of them are “predators”! Some of them are fascists, or racists, or bullies, or spouse-beaters, or cowards, or…
People say it’s hard to protest because America is so spread out.
It also means that when the Fed tries to crack down on protests, there’s too much ground for them to be everywhere at once.
They can’t handle one city, if they try and deploy all over it’ll be an even bigger cluster fuck, and make the military even more fed up with trump.
If the Feds are willing to illegally federalize National Guard troops, and the National Guard in any given state is willing to obey those orders, it tips the scales significantly. States need to start taking measures to ensure their National Guard is truly under their control. These are the “well regulated militias” referenced in the second amendment, and if they are subject to the whims of a federal tyrant, then the second amendment is moot.
The problem is Democrats are cowards. Newsom has so many options he’s not even trying to use. For example, he could give his own contradicting orders to the California National Guard troops. After all, those would be the only legal orders given to the Guard. Trump is flagrantly violating the law here. If that didn’t work, he could announce that he’s putting any Guard troop deployed by Trump on immediate leave. They’re now on vacation and can walk off base at will. If that doesn’t work, he could defund the troops involved. You’re not getting paid for your time following illegal orders.
Instead, Democrats are cowards, so they make tired cringe jokes about Tacos.
illegally federalize National Guard troops
There’s a lot of issues going on, but one of the biggest is nothing about that was illegal.
I mean, if it wasnt legal then we wouldn’t have been able to do it to enforce school desegregation decades ago.
I know we agree in spirit, but in these times it’s important for people to understand what’s happening, why it’s an issue, and what we need to do to ensure it doesn’t happen again.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/12406
Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.
As Newsom stated in his letter, the order was not issued through him, therefor not pursuant to the law, or in other words, illegal.
Once again: in the context of this regime, the question is not “who’s going to let them”, it’s “who’s going to stop them”. And the answer seems to be “nobody who has the supposed legal authority to do anything appears to be interested in or willing to stop them”.
Well, Newsom is suing which is… fine. I think he should deploy his remaining 20k troops to kick the (4700 and counting) feds out, but that’s playing with fire. Going forward, as I suggested, states need to make sure they control their Guard deployments. This could take the form of legislation or executive orders at the state level, or, since it’s already federal law that the orders go through the governor, a simple memo informing the Guard that anyone from command down to rank & file will be immediately arrested for following illegal orders.
And on your other comment, yes, by the letter of the law that was illegal, although it was a slightly more complicated situation because as the article states:
Eisenhower and Faubus agreed that the Arkansas National Guard would remain at the school to maintain order, so the black students could attend.
… then Faubus reneged on the agreement.
Whatever. Right now, in the time that we are currently living through, during which an unhinged aspiring dictator is deploying military forces on US soil for immoral reasons, is not the time to equivocate about legality.
A simple memo reminding them of the penalties for following illegal orders, and clear examples of such illegal orders seems like a really smart move with minimal downside
Newsom is currently the lawful commander of the California National Guard. He should be directly ordering them to stand down. What is it with this limp-dicked centrist bullshit of “well…I’ll file a lawsuit!”
Fucking cowards. I hope Trump arrests Newsom and has him executed. That would be the fate this coward deserves.
I was with you on the first half, but definitely not on the second half.
If you support executing your political opponents by means of fascism, what makes that any less evil than Trump executing any politician he dislikes (and it seems we’re on that road)?
What is it with this limp-dicked centrist bullshit of “well…I’ll file a lawsuit!”
You kind of answered your own question
So you think it was illegal when the NG escorted Black kids to school in Arkansas against the wishes of the Governor of Arkansas?
https://www.history.com/articles/little-rock-nine-brown-v-board-eisenhower-101-airborne
Like, you’re acting like this is unprecedented, and that’s just flat out wrong…
Quick edit:
Newsom has a D by his name, but he’s still a lying piece of shit that was sucking up to the right very very recently.
Don’t just believe anything he says as gospel.
People need to be informed these days, don’t just back anyone on your “team”. Especially not someone who would never consider you as their own team.
Legal ≠ moral. Both instances of mobilizing the national guard against the wishes of the states’ governors were illegal, but one was moral and the other is not. One could argue that by breaking the law the first time a precedent was set that allowed it to be done again for a less noble cause, but I disagree. The fact that it was possible for Eisenhower to federalize the national guard without the state governor’s approval in the first place means that nothing would stop it from happening in the future regardless of whether or not a precedent was set.
Both instances of mobilizing the national guard against the wishes of the states’ governors were illegal, but one was moral and the other is not.
What?
It went to the SC, it was/is legal.
You have your opinion on if it should be legal, and are treating that like it’s the actual legal reality.
That is absolutely not how America’s legal system works. And these aren’t the only two examples.
This same precedent came up in 2020 about vaccine mandates. If you hadn’t heard about this before last weekend, that’s fine…
Just don’t insist you’re an expert immediately. Some people paid attention
There’s a lot of issues going on, but one of the biggest is nothing about that was illegal.
I disagree with you here but not because of the reason Newsom gave. The deployment of Marines is a direct violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1385.
I mean, if it wasnt legal then we wouldn’t have been able to do it to enforce school desegregation decades ago.
Those weren’t marines.
And Marines aren’t National Guard…
That’s a different conversation.
But again, this isn’t the first time that’s happened. I disagreed with it the prior times, this time, and any potential future times it may happen.
But we have to understand what reality is before we have a chance of fixing it
America’s issues are a lot deeper than trump, and the only good thing about trump burning it all down is we have a great chance to build it back better after. We’re paying the price anyways at this point, we might as well get all we can out of it
Trump IS violating the law. The president can’t just activate the guard any time he damn well feels like it. There are specific conditions that are required, and Trump is flagrantly violating them.
To be clear, I want it to be illegal.
It’s just not.
Newsom knows that, but he wants “the fight” to be talking on TV and pointless lawsuits. Bread and circuses.
Neoliberals never want to limit presidential power, because the threat of a Republican having it is the only same reason to vote for a neoliberals, and even that isn’t enough to win elections reliably.
Stop falling for their bullshit, we desperately need people paying attention these days.
Eisenhower had one option to remove the National Guard from Faubus’s control. The president could issue an executive order based on the Insurrection Act of 1807, codified in Title 10 of the U.S. Code under sections 332 to 334 (since renumbered as 252 to 254). Section 332, regarding the “use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority,”
Trump hasn’t invoked the Insurrection Act. He is explicitly in violation of federal law here. The act that he used to activate these troops doesn’t allow the president to take authority of the guard away from the governor.
Those people are bring pulled away from their families and lives because Trump wants to have a pissing contest. Some of them will blame the protesters though, so it’s hard to say.
This is a very good, and heartening point.
I believe this is turning into what Trump wanted to occur during the George Floyd protests.
The instigators breaking shit were trying to start a riot to give him pretext to federalize the National Guard.
Only, nobody bought into it.
Instead, this time, he’s taking smaller protests and escalating them by using military intimidation, which, as the regime hoped, infuriated large swaths of Americans. Once these continue to grow, instigators will become present. It takes one, hidden somewhere, to shoot an agent or guardsman, and shit flys off the walls.
Unfortunately, the path forward is bleak. Protests must continue. And they must grow. People dying is out of the question at this point.
The regime is betting that a few instances of massacres will give him enough power to quell 358,000,000 Americans into accepting a totalitarian regime. Every dictator in modern history has done this in one way, shape, or form.
I keep saying this but it falls on deaf ears. A resistance must not resist in a theater of the Regime’s choosing. It won’t work.
Blue states have a powerful weapon at their disposal. They need not instruct citizens to withold federal taxes. They need to instruct employers and self employed to cease all federal witholding. If they fail to do so, cut off the resources an employer needs. When tax season comes around, how many Americans will willingly pay the 12-35% of their income they now owe? None. The federal government now has lost significant portions of revenue. Americans won’t work without pay. Not for long.
The time for the most powerful form of warfare has arrived. Economic warfare.
They have already taken the powers of dictatorship. They skipped over the Reichstag Fire completely, and simply pretended that non-emergencies were emergencies. “They’re eating the cats and dogs.”
The authority and power of the Executive Branch has increased by orders of magnitude in a matter of months simply by virtue of nobody standing in its way.
The nation is under attack. This isn’t a power grab, it’s an assault on freedom. Resist.
At the end of the day the Democrats choose to be complicit. Fascists never rise to power because they have enough power by themselves, but because they have enablers among the “center”.
Their plan was to try to force a dictatorship no matter what.
Try to think about what actions would stop the rise of Nazi Germany.
There were a lot of peacefully protesting that was ignored as the Nazis rose to power anyway.
A little bit ago it flew under the radar that he put into place that he could raise a militia if there was a revolution. Can’t remember the act, not an American citizen.
But around then it was said that he would start this and it could happen around April.
The thing is that the act has some funky wording and the militia need not be the national guard, and he can mobilize MAGA to act as the militia.
So that’s probably the next step.
Or the Proud Boys. They’re suing the government for prosecution of Jan 6th, $100m I think. Paid triple+ as a “settlement” with an agreement to deploy and do taco’s dirty work. There’s your militia.
They gave like $100k to the traitor Ashli Babbitt’s family too. Probably more than the family of a soldier who dies in service gets.
A militia with death benefits.
We’re not far away from nationwide protests. Grab your Sharpies and make some signs.
In fact, they’re already planned for this weekend. See the map below for the one closest to you:
Are people bringing kids to these?
Resist this Macho Military Mayhem produced by BIG TACO & Co. !!! Press on, siblings & niblings!
Had a sales call with a big client in Chicago. They were all told to wfh and not come into city bc protests. Minor disruption but that’s lost revenue to Chicago transit, food vendors, etc, plus the tax revenues. Bad example bc most outspoken mayor in America but you get the point.
My org has an office in LA and everyone who came in was sent home yesterday.
That’s the right flag. Gotta make it clear this is the Orange turd attacking American citizens.
That’s actually bad ass. Most of the time I see american flags, I think that’s some bootlicker shit. But man an American flag while getting teargassed by the same people who vowed to protect their citizens, there’s something powerful about that message.
And imagine the symbol of that very flag being waved this coming 4th of July. They better saw o large one together and have everyone come and touch it or see it or recognize it somehow. I have a feeling that if it survives this, it will go to a museum. I’m sure the flag from the iconic image of the motorcycle guy with the Mexican flag too will get to be in a museum. But that’s not our flag and it sends the wrong message. They are attacking Mexicans for sure but mostly Americans. The American flag should fly to remind the soldiers doing the attacking who they are attacking. Americans don’t take well being attacked.
Seems like many MAGAts were mad at LA due to the non-American flags being shown. There were some… but not as much as the media (or individuals videos) was showing.
This is good news. We can’t call ourselves a moral country with these masked ICE thugs going around kidnapping with impunity.
Good, maybe these asshats will see that they’re not welcome and go the fuck home.
Letting them go home is why they keep coming back.
Until we have the will to hold these fascist traitors accountable, this will be a recurring problem.
Oh you sweet summer child…
Fresno as well. Only a small amount of news picked it up, but there was a huge amount of people out.
Im seeing a lot of local cities doing the same.
Where’s that guy who was like “I don’t see any American flags at these protests” in complaint about the Mexican flags at the LA protests
Looking the other way so he doesn’t see any American flags.
it’s showing up everywhere
Santa Ana babyy. So proud of my city
Just dont, you are giving Trump exactly what he want. Stop and think…
He’s doing exactly what he wants now. Are we supposed to just bite the pillow?
If the options are fight and die or just die then I’m going to fight.
Even so, with where things are now and are going toward, we will suffer greater injury if we do not act.
Their’s not to make reply,
Their’s not to reason why,
Their’s but to do and dieIt’s time to fight. Fuck that noise.
