This community is cooked. The most popular response is that trans rights had fuck all to do with democrats losing, but they are all getting down voted to hell.
If we had the election again today trump would win by more votes, clearly.
If there’s one unifying maga principle it’s bigotry.
This is such a counterproductive take. It ignores why Harris actually lost (like Biden running again and refusing to step down until the end), while also implying that the Democrats didn’t do anything wrong whatsoever and the fault lies with the electorate. If that’s the takeaway for the DNC from this past election then we’re cooked.
70 million people looked at maga bigotry of various sorts and found it not to be a dealbreaker. Fact. They either hoped or knew Trump would hurt other people not like them, so they gave him a pass. (and that doesn’t count what I believe to be the vast majority of Trump voters who were overtly OK with it.)
My intent in sharing here isn’t to postmortem the election. It’s a reminder of the 70 million shitty people we smile and shake hands with every day.
It also implies that Harris wouldn’t attack Iran when she totally would have. A more correct approach would have been that ww3 for the Democrats is more preferable than worker rights and social institutions Bernie wanted.
in what world do you think she would have?
“What we need to do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power, that is one of my highest priorities,” she added.
Why do you think she wouldn’t? She and her party showed in recent years they will do anything Israel orders them.
Can’t prove a negative, but it’s not like US policy towards Iran (or Israel) changes much from admin to admin. Here’s Kamala right before the election saber rattling: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/08/harris-iran-greatest-adversary-trump-election.html
“What we need to do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power, that is one of my highest priorities,” she added.
This is crazy… the illusion of choice? Nah we’d at least have better protections on domestic rights if she won
Better to DIE than DEI, I guess.
Why do americans think this is ww3? They are not the world and I really hope they will be ok their own with this war.
Hey just a reminder: NONE of the world wars started because they all got up on the same day and started shooting each other.
If you get to point and laugh a year from now about how you were right and we were wrong, be thankful for it. Right now we’ve got a lot of individual active armed conflicts, often overlapping with others, including the fucking Middle East (you might want to peek at some of the history there). If we don’t already meet the technical criteria for a world war, we’re a half a step away.
Russia invading Ukraine. Israel attacking Iran. India attacking Pakistan. Nazi America threatening to annex Greenland.
Sure buddy, it’s ‘just’ America involved here.
All of those have been going on for, what, decades? Greenland is the only new one on the list. In no way is this a world war. Unless WW3 started in 2014?
Last I checked, most people who voted for trump voted for him because they actually thought he would fix the economy. Only a fringe cares about identity politics.
While I personally believe people who voted for trump were naive at best, it is very disingenuous to pretend like they all voted for him because they hate trans people. Most normal people don’t give a fuck about that shit. They just want to live and considering how chaotic the election was for the democrats, it makes sense that more people put their trust in the candidate who was there from the start.
It’s a very boring answer, and it is not really an excuse for the current state of the US, but reality is often a lot duller than whatever narrative we like to cook up in our little heads after spending too much time on Twitter.
Your first paragraph is patently untrue the entire right wing media ecosystem is nothing but identity politics grievances and culture war bs
Not my fault you haven’t been paying attention. Eggs were the excuse du jour at vote time. I’ve experienced or witnessed right wing bigotry of various sorts (not only homophobia and transphobia) for forty-five fucking years. (And I’m subtracting the years when I was too young and dumb to see it for what it was.)
It’s bigotry all the way down, and no one under the age of seventy can remember a time when the Republican party stood for anything else, no matter what they claim. Look at their policies. It’s all just how they are dressing it up this decade.
Disingenuous tweet. Not like the other side was committing a genocide and normally just acts like republican lite
Fucking worthless Trumpers
The lesson to learn is if we run uncharismatic candidates who are substantially further to the right than the Dems voter base, and the most thought the candidate gives the voting base is:
They have to vote for me. Who else are the left gonna vote for?
Its fucking “no one”, and it’s been that same answer for a long time.
We have a fair DNC now that won’t try to shove a conservative down America’s throats. So we have a chance to win.
But if we run a conservative as a Dem, Republicans win.
It’s really fucking tiring to see those conservatives blame trans people for the lose. That had nothing to do with it. It might be the final straw for some people, but there was a shit ton of reasons people couldn’t hold their nose this time.
Right, because Trump was a better option. Im so glad we imported the fascism directly this time instead of watching it take shape in other countries. Congratulations, we’ll all be trying to avoid the death camps at some point in the next 5 years.
we imported the fascism directly
Nah, it’s very much locally sourced
Ah, but withholding my vote means my soul is pure and I don’t own these consequences!
The fact that there’s a mob of downvotes from white lily cowards says it all.
American puritans, shut the fuck up.
Saw a video of Dr Umar admitting to not voting and using it to virtue signal. Like bitch there is an active genocide going on and the community you claim to want to protect and uplift is about to be ratfucked into participating in it.
We have a fair DNC now that won’t try to shove a conservative down America’s throats.
Do you have a link to a story about this? I don’t doubt you, I just want to read more about it.
I’m not sure what you mean…
The chair has absolute power and is accountable to no one.
Before the current DNC chair was elected (just a few months ago) they had been head of the Minnesota state party for about a decade.
That’s a very long political track record to look at, and that’s why the DNC voting members elected him
Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?
I just wondered if you had a link to a story or analysis summarizing that, since I wasn’t aware of any of it. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I’ll look it up.
Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?
I would love this summary if there is one.
The only thing I had heard about the DNC leadership was them electing a progressive to vice chair on “accident” and then kicked him out after they realized he would be supporting progressive canidates
You’re thinking of Vice Chair David Hogg.
Hogg pledged to primary ineffective democrats and the party crucified him for it. Current chair Ken Martin opposed this, proposing a change to bylaws that would require impartiality in primaries.
I am firmly with Hogg on this. Progressives need to be supported and conservative Democrats purged. Republicans with a D next to their name are no less an existential threat than those with an R. I don’t see Ken Martin as promising in any way whatsoever.
I get the sentiment, but horrible economic prospects had a lot more to do with this than different people seeking common decency when you get down to it.
Republicans have terrible economic policies. Voting for Republicans for economic reasons is stupid. Even if you’re rich, if you care about the long term.
Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time
Trump: Kill healthcare and social programs and deport Brown people. Instant fix.
Dumbfucks: I do hate people who aren’t like me. And harming others makes me feel better about myself. I’m in.
Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time
Okay not to defend Republicans, but if I was barely able to afford rent and heard “stay the course” I’d fucking riot. Please don’t present Biden’s position of “what do you mean? The economy is awesome” as the reasonably side here.
Two things:
- Inflation happened all over the world after covid due to supply issues, when production had to resume when restrictions were lifted. US had one of the lowest inflation in Western world
- During first taco term there was a massive wealth transfer due to the tax bill. The corporate tax cuts were permanent, while cuts for us were expiring year over year, last one expires this year.
Okay? What’s your point?
Would you still riot
if I was barely able to afford rent and heard “stay the course”
…. And you had the awareness to see the historically huge investments in infrastructure, supply chains, renewable energy, EVs that would have added thousands of jobs? that inflation had been trending down and was near normal? Repeated attempts to implement assistance for the student loan crisis over Republican objections? Etc
Biden did a lot of the right things for all of us, but we needed to stay the course long enough for them to take effect and we needed to be both aware that they existed and patient enough to understand that some things take time.
Instead we voted for an orange child to throw tantrums and break all our toys.
Destruction is fast and easy, but building is much harder and takes more time
I didn’t think I was. But a real dumbfuck chooses option B
But factually things were improving in spite of corporate greed. But as much as they could have. Now they’re not.
But this wasn’t an essay
When the alternative is to burn everything down, staying the course absolutely is the reasonable option.
Setting aside that even then denying that there’s a problem at all is still fucking stupid, if you feel you have no future at all under the current system there is logic to burning everything down and hoping something less terrible comes out of the ashes.
Things are in fact getting worse for the average American over time… Or were you being facetious? That’s where the whole thing falls apart and you get nihilistic voters and raging petty tyrants electing a fascist.
I honestly do not think that it did.
That might be what people will tell you (and themselves in some cases), but I don’t buy it.
To add to this, the economy is not better for the average person currently, anyone who thought it would be is naive and I just have trouble believing that American’s on average are that gullible.
Duh. Like another poster said though, Trump campaigned on improving the economy. He said he would do it. The Dems are so spineless they won’t even lean into that. They focus on niche issues of minority groups. It’s a recipe for fucking losing and they know it is the worst part, because at the end of the day, they get their funding from corporate donors who will cut them off if they ever actually push for real change.
Let’s be real: Yes, the Democrats ran a historically tone-deaf campaign. But Trump’s entire economic pitch boils down to ‘Just believe me, folks! The same empty promise he made before leaving office with record job losses, broken supply chains, and an economy in freefall. I get what your saying I just have trouble believing voters are this desperate to blame ‘wokeism’ that they’ll ignore:
- The $7.8 trillion he added to the debt?
- The 3 million jobs lost under his watch?
- The fact his ‘miracle economy’ was a sugar rush of tax cuts for billionaires?
It’s a death wish for the middle class.
We all know the economy is bad. But they choose to believe it is caused by trans people and immigrants. So OOP still correct.
Which doesn’t make sense either because historically all economic indicators have been better on average during democrat governments than republican ones
Except the only indicator that matters to the oligarchic owner/operators of the USA, the wealth transfer to the rich.
Yeah but almost all his voters are not oligarchs by statistics, they are just stupid
Lmao. More seriously, though, Trump did campaign on improving the economy and it helped him a lot. The fact that anyone with half a brain could tell he wasn’t going to do that is secondary.
If people are drowning, anybody who promises to throw them a life bouy looks like a fucking heroe to them.
Far-Right Populists are riding this effect all over the World all the while mainstream “moderates” entreched in and winning from the current system see nothing wrong with it and persist in trying to sell “steady as she goes” as policy (after all, that’s what’s best for them personally), something which ressonates with the people who haven’t yet been affected by the pillaging of the Economy by the ultra-wealthy - the well-off middle class - but not with those below who are suffering, and as the effects of the pillaging climb higher and higher up the economic ladder, the number of those suffering keeps increasing and so does the appeal of the far-right promises.
I’m actually a member of a small leftwing party in my own country and the current leadership totally fucked the party up in the last decade or so (falling from almost 20 parliamentary representatives to 1) exactly because the new and younger leadership whom the old guard moved over to give room to, were out of touch well-off middle class types who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never really had to fight for making a living, and hence started parroting liberal talking points from the anglo-saxon world (because all they know besides the local language is English, and they saw that shit on Twitter and though it was “leftwing”) all the while most of the people in the country were feeling the pain and it wasn’t related to the political slogans that these people were parroting and the unfairnesses they obcessed about.
The out of touch leftwing-cosplayer crowd will never beat the far-right populists because the latter actually pitch radical solutions for the problems of the many (all complete total bullshit, but many people can’t tell so go for it) whilst the former pitch “steady as she goes with a few tweaks” which works only for the “I’m alright” well-off middle class and above, not the many, so won’t really appeal to the bulk of voters.
I’m not saying that voting for the far-right populists is right or will actually solve the problems of the many, I’m saying it’s understandable that so many end up grabbing what looks like the only lifebouy in front of them.
Any genuine half-way competent leftwing politicians from a priviledged background should realise that their life experience is not representative and that the “inequalities” that are of concern to the upper middle class (a typical example: the “glass ceiling for women to become CEOs”) aren’t at all the biggest and most painful inequalities out there (they only affect a tiny proportion of people, who are already priviledged compared to most of the population and are not at all in pain) and actually fight against the pains that affect the many even if that requires breaking the very system that made them “winners” the day they were born.
Anyways, now in America we’re seeing what far-right populists really are when they have power, similarly to what happened in Brexit Britain some years ago (and the “moderate” politicians there don’t seem to have so far learned the lesson and keep on relying on the mathematical rigging of FPTP to get power less and less votes) and of course all their promises were bullshit and their “solutions” only make things worse.
If people are drowning, anybody who promises to throw them a life bouy looks like a fucking heroe to them.
But it really looks more like I’m trying to call for a rescue and you knock the phone out of my hand to hail the guy throwing rocks in the water
“Okay, so I believed the authoritarian liar – but I was soooooooo mad! I literally had no choice!”
It’s called nuance and it’s a lot more productive than blind righteous anger.
People vote based on principles and strategies different from yours. Bitching about it won’t change that fact or help you win elections. Enjoy your 5 minutes of hate.
MUH ECONOMIC ANXIETY
Harris also loves Israel and hates Iran and seemed pretty warhawkish during her campaign
Edit: if you disagree PLEASE just downvote and don’t reply, I’m TREMBLING in fear of your possible replies
Per your edit, and so you’re not completely in the dark - I’m here to say I downvoted your comment because of the edit complaining about downvotes. Hope that helps.
I’m fine with that
Far better to elect the person threatening to drop nuclear weapons on Iran?
Has kamala condemned this action by Trump? The Dems are not anti-war. They are warmongers just like the GOP.
The Dems would never have done this. But they’d still be supporting the genocide in Gaza. They are slightly less warmongering than Trumps. Meh. Fuck the whole system.
The Dems would never have done this.
Bold claim
Harris and Biden both supported Israel and their right to retaliate, regardless of the extent of that retaliation. However they never advocated direct involvement and they certainly never threatened using nuclear weapons. Both sides are not the same
I mean trump never advocated direct involvement during the campaign either but we’re speculating because Harris isn’t in office. I’m basing my speculation on the fact that the Biden admin kowtowed to Bibi constantly and Harris made it clear she’d be the same in that regard. If either of them were in this same situation where Israel is in active war with Iran and Bibi begged them to strike Iran i think they definitely would.
I don’t think there are many people in US that love current Iran regime, bit there is a difference between not liking it and starting a war.
Also I am so fucking tired of that argument “yeah, what he does is not good but Harris would be worse”
We don’t know, since taco is in charge, but we know that Netanyahu was livid when she commented how Israel is handling Palestine. Netanyahu also met with trump in July last year, now we know he likely wanted to have guarantees that trump will back Israel is it comes down to this.
And lastly, trump already tried to start war with Iran in 2019, but failed. He later also said he did it because Netanyahu told him to, which shows how weak he is.
I’m NOT saying kamala would be worse than trump. I’m saying they’re both terrible on this issue. Also Kamala is alive and well and has access to Internet. If she wouldn’t do this she could say so.
This is a dumb narrative that leads to petty bickering while we are currently living under literal fascism. The reason they elected a fascist is because they desire change from the status quo. Pronouns are not a positive change for most people. So of course they will pick a fascist over that platform, if that’s all it has to offer. The left has to get real, and I mean realpolitik. We have real solutions to offer these people. That’s what the message should focus on. Inclusion is a given with leftism. DEI is corporate virtue signaling.
How is the status quo not the goal of conservatism? It’s literally in the name.
Republican voters and non voters are absolutely against the changes they are seeing come from left-leaning or liberal populations. The status quo is literally to not change what already is.
there was plenty of things besides pronouns that dems had to offer. like boosting new homeowners and offering incentives to new families having babies. racism and misogyny overruled it though. “i’m gonna ban all muslims and mexican are rapists!” won out.
America is looking at the proverbial mirror and realizing its full of racist, morons and people who think women can’t lead; and no amount of 'well Kamala and Clinton didn’t get me excited and offer me anything’ will excuse that.
I don’t support fascism buuut
Thanks for proving the point of the meme.
I don’t support fascism but we need a real plan to defeat it.
Thanks for not paraphrasing the whole post so you could make yourself seem sooooo virtuous and good by comparison. You failed miserably but you sure did try!
agree, the inclusion movement went too far into dictating how people should behave and cancelling people on the basis of any perceived offenses and that gave electoral leverage to the current president
