DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin told Newsweek that the City of Glendale’s decision was “deeply disturbing,” and accused state officials of siding with criminals over public safety after unrest in Los Angeles.
Just so people are aware, this is the same rhetoric/same regurgitated talking points being used against “progressive” policies in blue cities within red states all over the country.
They are banking on an escalation of physical violence and confrontation that they will use as an excuse to establish a permanent federal and military force in California that will not be subject to any California state laws.
Why do I believe that? Because its how it happened in my own city to establish a permanent state police force that can’t be regulated by any city or local ordinance.
They instigate and then argue that progressive policies have resulted in an emergency and chaos, that leaves them no choice but to step in and fix things by taking control.
Remember- it was not long ago that the government literally firebombed an entire city block in Philly because they wanted a “criminal” inside a house. They just said fuck it and took out a block of houses. Because they “can.”
Yep, and it wasn’t even the military, it was just a local police force. I believe they killed 11 people and around 5 children. The 40th anniversary just passed.
If a single police force using weapons from 40 years ago could do something like that without a second thought, I hope people consider what the outcome would realistically be today, when encouraging people in California to strap themselves and head into a suicide mission against police, federal agencies, national guard, military, Palantir, and private military companies like Blackwater under a president who has already told them “he who serves his country, commits no crime.”
The problem is, unless things change drastically, that is the trajectory the US is on.
Again where is the actual show of support from the rest of America? This should not be California’s fight, it should be all of us fighting as America against authoritarianism.
Where are the people telling their local government they need to following the example Glendale just set for the rest of us.
There have been solidarity protests in several other states.
As a Californian, while I’m sure we have the thoughts and prayers support from others across the country and world, I suspect we’re pretty much on our own. It won’t be long before other blue states are fighting their own similar fights against hostile takeover, and red states are cheering this shit on because “Commiefornia.” And honestly, people are, but city councils are also doing their own balancing acts, if they aren’t already MAGA infested. There isn’t really a unified response as of yet, but I suspect that’ll change as more of CA becomes threatened.
We all have different battles. Ours are currently focussed on our colleges and universities, research and innovation. We recently won one where the court decided that mango Mussolini can’t prevent specific colleges from admitting foreign students out of spite. Of course there’s a major chilling effect but it’s a win.
Also, one of our senators has been extremely vocal and active. Not much Dems can do in Congress but speaking up is a start
And yes, we have many “No Kings”protests lined up that will get huge turnout for our population. Thoughts and prayers are on the way, but also gives encouragement for our representatives, our state, our law enforcement to do what they can.
Right on, keep fighting the good fight.
All over. Peaceful. Won’t see them on the news, trump can’t point at a guy playing guitar and call him dangerous.
This was the question in front of everybody eight months ago. The majority decided to stay home.
I mean, it’s fight and risk dying or stand aside while family, friends, neighbors, and children are dissappeared. I know what I would prefer in that imaginary scenario and am definitely not advocating for people to be violent against the national guard, ICE, or other federal organizations.
I thought he was describing Waco TX … until I saw Philly. Close enough for another example.
You mean that child molester’s compound?
Did he deserve due process or not? What about the others?
Your existence is to disagree with people, MLaeve, I’m too tired to reeeengage with you today.
even if true, should due process include firebombing and killing innocent people, or should it include “get good” and maybe not firebombing?
I think time has distorted a lot of what went on in Waco. I’m not trying to agree on police violence, just so we are clear, but using Waco to prove a point isn’t going to be that effective since they were shooting back and fucking kids and killing themselves.
Tulsa Oklahoma is a good example of police force that has no justification.
I am not 100% on Waco. The ATF knows they went crazy there. I do know there were exaggerations in regards to the children as several have admitted in interviews that they were coaxed into making some statements. Im not saying all of it was made up, but I know some of it was.
Remember that Waco happened over a firearm inspection that was done by the ATF. They saw auto conversion kits on rifles that they reported as illegal … and it turns out they were NOT illegal and the ATF knew it, but raided anyway.
Things did get crazy from there. You dont declare “total war” on an fucking end of the world cult that dreams about going out in a blaze of bullets …because they are going to go out in a blaze of bullets. The ATF knew THAT as well.
it’s just an example of state overreach in a violent manner. one of many. none are appropriate when one truly considers things like “rights” etc.
the civil war was probably the last time the state was able to “legit” use violence because it was to quell an actual secession by a formal militia of more than a million traitors and terrorists.
Asserting that the state has no legitimate interest in using limited violence (i.e. tear gas) to execute lawful search and arrest warrants against heavily-armed, recalcitrant pedophiles is truly one of the takes of all time.
The Bundy standoff, the SLA, and the Waco Siege are categorically different from the firebombing of Philly or the Tulsa Massacre to anyone with a brain.
Maybe they should have let them keep the south. Perhaps we can just give it back to them and all the nutters will move there.
even better, a local police force is, still, inherently “military” in that they are a weaponized arm of a state licensed to kill.
we’re just marketed to think differently.
(i am adding not disagreeing with you!)
it was not long ago
I mean, it was 40 years ago.
I would more point to the police violence during BLM protests and the terror tactics employed by ICE against Columbia student protesters just in the last six months.
Yep, they only serve capitalism and its masters so we’re just bags of meat to them that they can inflict pain on
That wasn’t the only time fascist feds bombed a US neighborhood, either
true!! waco aside, can you send me links to others? i have a list I want to keep.
There is also a list on wikipedia
thanks!
I tried to do a search for you but
dogddg and google won’t list them. Perhaps someone with kagi or some other alternative search engine will be willing to provide results.thanks for looking! add also, Kent State!
Well, I searched specifically bombing, but make no mistakes, any police are not on the side of the average individual. For example, in my cluster of small communities, police don’t even try to solve property crimes under roughly 100k. But steal a backhoe, and you may have issues.
So they are already branding illegals as criminals without due process.
Any efforts to frustrate gestapo operations should be celebrated. Whether in the streets or on the policy front.
Frustrate and impede, just don’t help them advance their agenda by giving them the physical escalation they’re hoping for.
An “insurrection” under Trump will not be handled the way an actual insurrection was when Trump instigated it under Biden. This has been planned for a long time.
Richard Blumenthal Reveals Trump ‘Martial Law’ Fear
I hope more Americans at city and state levels will start joining cities like Glendale.
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The state believes it has a monopoly on violence. After all they’ve spent most of a century propagandizing the public with the idea that “violence is never the answer”.
It might have been well intended at first. But over the last 20ish years I’ve come to see it as a weapon. Look at France or hell, most other countries. Government tries to do some fuck shit and people riot. Farmers protest with a military parade of tractors and spraying manure on parliament. Those countries haven’t had their populations brainwashed into the belief that “violence is never the answer”. There exists an implicit threat of violence behind protest virtually anywhere on earth except the US and some other authoritarian countries.
That implicit threat doesn’t exist here. Not at all. And that is why protests nationwide comprised of multiple millions of people are routinely ignored if not actively suppressed by gov’t jackboots. And always mocked as agitators or outliers. And our government is absolutely terrified that people will realize it. It’s why Trump’s military parade is going to have 19 miles of fencing and hundreds of magnetometers. Because those at the top know the pulse of the country. They have the data. They know the causes. They’ve squeezed people more and more for decades. They’ve suppressed wages while prices grew. They’ve allowed technologies like AI to remain largely unregulated while wiping away millions of jobs that people depended on to survive in a sink-or-swim society that doesn’t value human life beyond its utility to oligarchy. They’ve ignored protest for decades. Protest does not work here because it has been intentionally defanged. There is no threat behind it.
Then a fat bloviating painted cow of a man who thinks himself a king sends out masked plainclothes agents to rendition our neighbors. To kidnap people in your community. People you know. People who’s children go to the same school yours do. People you see every single day. Your people. Its slow death by boiling. Suddenly interrupted by someone rapidly turning up the heat.
There are already “leftists” on Lemmy advocating for bullying out your voice, and calling the LA protests “riots”, as well as “violence,” when the only known violence was to waymo cars and other private property. News orgs are showing pictures of police cars being targeted from Floyd protests.
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midlifemodlog see silencing of valid leftist voices“leftists”
Authoritarians are authoritarians, regardless of what they call themselves.
I’m kind of indecisive on the last bit. Were COVID lockdowns authoritarian? Yes, but for the greater good, imo, badly managed, but *not nearly long enough. But citizens had to eat and pay bills and rich people demanded a return to work, so we got what we got.
I would posit that while COVID lockdowns were authoritarian in nature on their face - as in the State restricting individual liberties - the context of a pandemic made those behaviors a serious threat to the public good, and the people who instituted those lockdowns were not authoritarians in principle.
We also have speed limits and other traffic laws, also in order to reduce threats to the public good. Would those be considered “authoritarian”? Not a snarky question, just something to ponder on as a comparison.
Bruh, seriously…
Every positive change, especially when that change challenges existing power structures, must be backed up with “And we’ll fight you to the death over this.” Yes, you hope it doesn’t come to that, you hope that only the threat of revolution will be enough.
The threat won’t be enough if it’s an empty threat.
When you’re left with no other alternative, then yes. Why not try to form a coalition of Americans that will stand together against Trump before we dissolve into a second civil war where individual blue states are going against the entire U.S. government?
How about some support from other blue states and jurisdictions? Where are the calls for blue states senators and representatives to vocally stand with California, where are the mayors and city councils willing to follow Glendale’s example?
Sending people into a suicide mission without actually backing them up, is like supporting a war you’re not fighting in (yet). When it’s your turn, you will hope that others will stand with you instead of remotely egging you on to be David against Goliath.
They’ve already deployed troops. Blue states banding together to say “please don’t invade us” will do absolutely nothing to stop him deploying troops, especially when the only problem Trump has with Blue States is that they are Blue.
This is the beginning. He wants an excuse to declare martial law.
He’s still holding back and being strategic at this point, once he establishes a permanent military branch to oversee California that’s when shit really hits the fan.
Getting all blue states and jurisdictions to start withholding federal taxes until we have a federal government who is actually representing us again, is a much better plan than telling a bunch of civilians to go fight the military. You are literally sending people to be slaughtered and kick off a second civil war, but I’m pretty sure you’re probably fully aware of that.
Why not try to form a coalition of Americans that will stand together against Trump …
That’s been going on a long time already, and the coalition of Americans willing to stand with fascism, or turn a blind eye to it, has only increased in size.
Fourth box.
When it’s your turn, you will hope that others will stand with you instead of remotely egging you on to be David against Goliath.
It’s already my turn. It’s your turn, too. Look for opportunities to resist where and when you can, to whatever extent you can. Frontline soldiers make up a tiny fraction of the people necessary to win a war. You can stand with resistance, even armed resistance, in many more ways than charging into battle yourself.
He already sent in the marines, what more do you want? He wont stop untill every democrat is dead…
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I only ask because this account doesn’t have bots blocked by default, but all my other ones do, so if you are a real person I’d never see your content on those accounts.
You might want to check that :)
I clicked it by mistake a couple days ago. Someone pointed it out and I unclicked it and saved. Or so I thought. I’ll check again.
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City: we have decided not to support these people because they aren’t providing safety.
Government: WHOA YOU ANT DO THAT UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR CITIZENS TO SUFFEE
City citizens: no we support this action. We feel safe when ICE is nowhere to be found.
Government: SEE THEY’RE TERRIFIED
Fox News Host: “We found a real live LA resident to tell us how they feel”
Real Live LA Guy: “Yo, hey, hello from Miami, I’m here to say Go Trump! Love MAGA! Based! Chad! Bitcoin $1M, you gotta buy my book The DJ Entrepreneur! Also, yeah, love my Cuban homies. Word up to everyone who came over here in a raft with no money, no documentation, no nothin! America land of the free home of the fat bags of change, amirite! Hey Ainsley, you fine as hell, want to bounce on my thang after this?”
Fox News Host: “As you can see, the residents of LA are terrified and cry out for a stronger police presence.”
FUCK OFF ICE FUCK OFF TRUMP
Shit was fine here until you showed up. Simple as.
“I wouldn’t have punched you if you hadn’t responded normally to me punching you”
-fully defended by the dumbest nazi bitches alive
Nobody does this kind of shit unless they’re terrified.
We should all be following suit.
Fuck ICE and fuck fascism! 🖕🤬🖕
They could have just said that due to extremely decreasing popularity of ICE, the insurance costs have become prohibitive. Thats like 2 zingers in one. They could also toss in something about respecting the wishes of thier constituency for extra flavor.
ICE needs to be blocked from California going forward.
Meanwhile, eggs are
still $8no longer available for purchase and gas is still upwards of $4.No, they explicitly stopped siding with criminals by doing that.
