It is not that it makes them justified, you seem to think I support what the US did. No. I say that the US has no right to pretend to worry about and therefore control other nations when the US has a documented history of using them.
If anything, the world could be “within its rights” to “preemptively strike” the US!
do you not realize there are people still alive today who were when the US nuked two cities?
How does that describe duty in the form of obligation?
I’m saying that one nation has no “right” to stop the internal actions of another, especially a nation who is committing genocide at this very moment.
irrelevant? I’d say unnecessary and yet game changing.
Why do you mention “duty”? there is no obligation. I simply mean that they are a state capable of deciding their own path.
same in all directions, really.
A) There is no second source verifiable proof it’s for weapons. Only “super secret promises of proof” by the same people that printed claims hamas has bunkers under hospitals.
B) They should have weapons. After all, Israel does.
C) There have been no indications of testing, something verifiable and easily seen, something necessary to make weapons.
Iran should if they so desire have weapons too. After all, the US and Israel do. Two nations who are doing crimes live in front of our eyes.
For the record, pun intended, “confidential report” means “no evidence.” Remember the Gulf of Tonkin?
There is no such thing as a preemptive strike when Israel has no articulated reason to believe Iran was going to harm them. Iran, by rights written in that silly UN, has the RIGHT to strike back defending itself.
Israel wants a larger war because that gaslights the greater nations into conflict, destroys more working class people, and brings about greater profit for Israel’s owners.
All nations are bad. Do not get that wrong.
But Israel, not even truly a nation, is a fucking terrorist organization.
And that means they cannot have nuclear energy?
were you speaking about Iran or the US? It’s hard to tell.
One side is a signatory to a nuclear nonproliferation agreement who is trying to create a nuclear energy program for civilian energy, under watchdog guidance for 40+ years.
The other side is Israel. A nation committing a genocide, with the full backing and support of another nation, the US, who itself is the only nation, in the history of the world, to use nuclear weapons. Ever.
on either side
You need to be. One side is a signatory to a nuclear nonproliferation agreement who is trying to create a nuclear energy program for civilian energy, under watchdog guidance for 40+ years.
The other side is Israel. A nation committing a genocide, with the full backing and support of another nation, the US, who itself is the only nation, in the history of the world, to use nuclear weapons. Ever.
One side has really good propaganda and makes you think “both sides are bad.”
for sure. they will certainly be pissed and frustrated and hopefully boot nazi netanyahu out of office.
correct! i absolutely remember that. which means sometimes when I say “Israel” people think I mean working class folks trying to get by. However those folks are not zionists. Zionists do not count as “folks” in this formula.
The entire premise behind Israel as a project state is the marketing that they are doing “the right thing.” It has nothing to do with the Jewish faith. It has everything to do with zionism, genocide, and profit.
They know they are the bad guys here. They don’t care.
Fuck Germany for this and fuck Israel.
“Ain’t no war but class war, baby .”
I truly don’t think there are any except for working class factions trying to push back colonialism and genocide - and specifically regarding the US/Israel, the reason it’s not marketed as a world war is because there is documented proof they are doing the evil here.
where did I say one was not bad? I simply said differences. One signed a nonpro agreement. one is doing a genocide.
All nations are bad. They should not exist.
None have the right to “stop” another from progression in a promised fashion by “preemptively” striking.
And just to close the convo, yes, fuck Israel.