Its obvious that right wing movements were coopted decades ago to weaken and collapse western Democracies. So when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and smears shit all over the walls like a duck, maybe its a fucking duck*?
*[ apologies to any ducks whom I might have besmirched comparing them to rw’ers ]
So in the world where spooky Russians didn’t interfere with our politicians, the parties representing the capitalist class would… not do that? This isn’t new. We’ve seen how capitalism led to the rise of fascism as a direct consequence of the needs of the system wayyyyy before Russia got involved in anything.
If you have a good analysis of how systems work, you don’t need to imagine or uncover conspiracy theories to explain that which can already be explained simply through incentives. Whether or not Russia has been meddling is missing the point.
EDIT: Just to explain my frustration a bit better: When people focus on this over the core class issue, at best it’s running cover for capitalists, but at worst it’s playing into the kind of fearmongering that the government uses to manufacture consent for the military industrial complex. The more they can convince us that there are scary enemies out there who want to destroy us, the easier it is for them to justify giving even more money to defense contractors and expanding the scope and authority of the military, intelligence agencies, etc. It’s giving more and more power to the people actually responsible for oppressing us.
remember people like poole and loomer, they were being funded by a shady “media” companies with ties to a russian oligarch, i believes also the case with these 3.
Thats the right answer. I just don’t get how they’ve kept it from leaking.
It can be both conspiratorial and true.
I think rightwing movements have become victims to a kind of “ideological spear fishing” coming out of Russia for decades.
NRA: Russian funded.
Rightwing astroturfed podcasters: Russian funded.
European rightwing movements: Russian funded.
Its obvious that right wing movements were coopted decades ago to weaken and collapse western Democracies. So when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and smears shit all over the walls like a duck, maybe its a fucking duck*?
*[ apologies to any ducks whom I might have besmirched comparing them to rw’ers ]
So in the world where spooky Russians didn’t interfere with our politicians, the parties representing the capitalist class would… not do that? This isn’t new. We’ve seen how capitalism led to the rise of fascism as a direct consequence of the needs of the system wayyyyy before Russia got involved in anything.
If you have a good analysis of how systems work, you don’t need to imagine or uncover conspiracy theories to explain that which can already be explained simply through incentives. Whether or not Russia has been meddling is missing the point.
EDIT: Just to explain my frustration a bit better: When people focus on this over the core class issue, at best it’s running cover for capitalists, but at worst it’s playing into the kind of fearmongering that the government uses to manufacture consent for the military industrial complex. The more they can convince us that there are scary enemies out there who want to destroy us, the easier it is for them to justify giving even more money to defense contractors and expanding the scope and authority of the military, intelligence agencies, etc. It’s giving more and more power to the people actually responsible for oppressing us.
remember people like poole and loomer, they were being funded by a shady “media” companies with ties to a russian oligarch, i believes also the case with these 3.
Also the US has had a strong right wing movement basically forever. Was the original American Nazi Party in the 30s Russia’s fault?