This is where we find out which faith is stronger, organized religion or the MAGA cult.
The MAGA nuts are Christian nationalist protestants. They think the Pope is the antichrist (literally many of them do).
Mormons too, they’ve been screeching about Armageddon and the antichrist since we elected that black fellow
Which is complete bullshit, a long standing tenant of the Mormon faith was to “follow the laws of the land” but once we started actually making some social progress they started forgetting that more and more and more.
The whispered part of that is that members should run for office; that way they have the power to make laws conform to their ideology. I was surprised by the number of Mormons in Congress. They’re pretty over-represented for the population they represent.
Well, that tenet only came about after all the fraud in NY, being kicked out of multiple Midwest towns for being so obnoxious no one could stand them, landing in UT with the BY in BYU immediately building a house for himself and another for all his wives next door, and Uncle Sam threatening to take away their tax exemption if they don’t allow black people in…THEN eventually god changed his mind
It’s always been “follow the law of the land, unless god tells you different then go ahead but don’t tip off the feds”
Yet many Catholics voted in line with the MAGA nuts, purely on abortion. The American Catholic Church has turned abortion into its defining political litmus test. Hopefully this new Pope can convince American bishops that there are other issues worth their attention.
Besides, the folks who run the US right now always need an enemy. Once they run through the immigrants, and LGBT people, who’s next? It’s entirely possible these christofascists start ostracizing Catholics. They never liked them anyway, they just liked their votes, and they probably think they won’t need votes anymore to keep in power.
My fucking parents voted for this asshole because of abortion. I yell at them about how many these fascists have already killed. Stopping aids aid from USAID alone is going to kill thousands (millions?).
Western Christians haven’t cared about their religion for at least a century, probably more. Bets on MAGA.
If you’re following Maga you’ve long since started zany rationalization of your Christianity. Trump is an absolute caricature of the anti-christ incarnate. It’s absolutely laughable. This will not break the hippocrates.
The Pope isn’t the American Christian icon you’d think. JFK was Catholic and it was a big deal.
American Christianity is dozens and dozens of sects and styles and flavors. Overall they roughly disrespect and respect the Pope about the same, he’s irrelevant really.
Modern American fascism has been claiming catholicism, see Vance. This is big for that reason. That and catholicism being the largest individual branch of Christianity in America
On the other hand, Biden is a Catholic too and that wasn’t an election issue. And Trump probably couldn’t tell you which denomination he pretends to be part of.
How many Americans are catholics though? (And how many of those are hispanics anyways?)
It’s easy to ignore the pope, when he’s not even part of your denomination.
They’re only doing this for one day, and only for 3 hours. MAGA signed up for 8 years of their shit.
Well some of them pray to the old donny boy
Jesus’ family were supposedly immigrants and asylum seekers. Priests should step up. So should real christians.
What about pedophiles? How does he think they should be handled?
I dont know about the pope but i am a fan of:
If they have not wronged children: therapy
If they did: prison & therapyYou can’t cure it with therapy, and the Catholic church protects and habors pedophiles. I don’t give a damn what he says. The church is a cancer and needs to be destroyed. If you support the church you support pedophiles.
“If you work or buy anything, you support capitalism, therefore you support the destruction of the planet.”
Yeah, trying to cure it with therapy has the same deleterious effects as gay conversion therapy. Because (even if we socially consider it to be one) it’s not a mental disorder in the biological sense; It’s a sexuality. You can repress it with therapy, but repressed sexuality tends to end in disaster eventually.
I dislike the gay comparison for a variety of reasons, but it’s a very well-studied topic that gay conversion therapy simply doesn’t work. It’s abusive and only leads to self-hate or resentment. The unfortunate reality is that, for better or worse, you can’t control who you’re attracted to.
The big issue with pedophilia is that there is no ethical way to practice it. For most other sexualities, you can be ethical about it. Being gay or straight isn’t inherently unethical, because you can get a consenting partner. But being a pedophile is inherently unethical, because any potential partner cannot consent. At best, maybe they find a young looking partner, who is old enough to consent. But even that is just delaying the inevitable, as that partner will eventually start looking older. But practicing actual pedophilia will always be unethical, because there will always be a non-consenting victim.
Therapy is one part of treatment, sure. But it should be primarily focused on helping the pedophile come to terms with self-imposed celibacy. And even that has issues, as the church has proven time and time again.
It’s a sexuality.
No.
Is that where you stopped reading? I specifically refused to defend it using the “it’s a sexuality so you can’t judge people for it” thing that pedos try to use. That whole MAP thing was just an attempt to lump pedophiles in with the LGBTQ+ crowd, to the detriment of both groups.
another day, another maximalist Lemmy take.
It’d be better if Pope Leo deputized and trained additional Vatican Guards and deployed them at various locations. Also a priest.
Swiss Guards are active duty Swiss military iirc. Deployng them could be… Problematic on many levels.
They appear to just have to have undergone Swiss basic training (and be catholic Swiss men of a certain age and height)
Police in riot gear with pepper guns and gas grenades vs Swiss Guards in blue, red and yellow with halberds. 🤘
I’ve done this in CIV and it didn’t work out that well…
Because Gandhi showed up and nuked everyone?
😂 🤣
‘People of Faith Stand with Immigrants’
Yeah, I don’t think “people of faith”, at least the more conservative ones, are going to be taking that lesson very seriously… Good luck changing their mindset.
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Evangelicals are not, but there are progressives within the ranks of christianity. The actual message of the new testament is down right socialist.
Jesus died a pacifistic anarchist at the very least
Pacifist yes — definitely not an anarchist. He instructed his followers to obey all laws in all situations that didn’t conflict with loving God and loving other people. However, he despised “tradition” and flaunted it constantly.
Pacifist
Did I misread the part when he kicks the shit out of the money changers?
Yup. He overturned their tables and yelled at them to get out of the temple.
Of course, that would be classified as terrorism today….
In the John version of the story, he “drives” them out of the temple with a whip. It’s difficult to reconcile that with a total pacifism.
Pacifism isn’t the same as being a doormat. It doesn’t say he attacked anyone, just chased them out with a whip.
He is also reported to call his disciples to strap on their swords at one point though, and at least Peter took him literally. So he obviously wasn’t a “pacifism at all costs” kind of person.
Anarchists aren’t against following laws, they’re against unjust hierarchies
What do you think the word “communist” meant before Marx?
the only higher power conservatives believe in, even the religious ones, is fox news
close but not quite, trump is the higher power. when fox didnt 100% back january 6th and trumps mission to steal the election, many of them called to boycott fox news. If they have to choose between fox and trump they will choose trump. In reality this probably wont happen again cuz fox learned their lesson.
The Vatican style of faith is very different from whatever has been festering in conservative America.
I have no problem with the catholic church standing on the right side of history. those kinds of American Christians already think they’re superior to the pope, so what is the difference?
Good on the USB, got the religion right. You know who doesn’t? People who hate their neighbours, casted stones in the capitol and know compassion only for their own.
These people pretend to be religious, because it happens to be popular with conservatives, not because they understand religion
Empty words from a horrible cult. When you have prosecuted and fired all the clergy that have sexually abused people, we might take you seriously. Hypocrites!
Praise when praise is due. Scorn when scorn is due. Hold on to your anger and give them double hell when they next fuck up, but weakening them while they’re in the swing of doing the right thing hurts us all.
Religious people are not mentally well.
They believe if they whisper hard enough that magic will fix their problems.
They believe if they follow some thousand year old undiagnosed obsessive compulsive disorder sufferers compulsions that magic will fix their problems.
They literally believe in magic.
They are all wackos.
Every single one.
There are no good religions.
Many of these people in US concentration camps are catholic. The thing that’s crazy is how many insane catholics like JD Vance are cheering this on.
Vance is part of a specific far right hyperpolitical faction of Catholics that he adopted via his patron Thiel.
He’s as Catholic as Trump is born-again evangelical. They are just pandering
I mean most religion is kind of pandering to god. I guess for republicans though god is just money.
