“Vichy Democrats”, i.e. “Democrats”
I’m gonna be real with you guys.
I don’t want Iran to have a nuke. The bombings of their fissile material enrichment facilities really doesn’t bother me.
However, I am not really fond of Israel starting the war and inevitably dragging us into prolonged conflict. Especially considering what they have done in Gaza.
It’s complicated.
Unfortunately for you, israel and Trump all but guaranteed that Iran’s survival depends on them getting nukes.
Then I guess they will not survive because that isn’t going to happen.
If wishes were fishes…
Obama had a deal with a iran where we got to baby sit them to be sure. Iran wanted it for nuclear power. But trump had to screw it up, then let Israel start shit worse then ever before all over the middle east.
Maybe we wouldnt be worried about Iran having nukes if the whole region hadnt become such a hot bed that it is, again thanks largely to Israel for the past century trying to take over all the middle east thinking its their god given right.
I agree with you, I just think that the practical side of things, as they exist today, meant that Iran needed to be stopped from having a nuclear weapon.
I’m all for stopping meddling in the Middle East and reigning Israel in. What they are doing in Gaza is unconscionable.
Iran needed to be stopped from having a nuclear weapon.
Next line
I’m all for stopping meddling in the Middle East
So which is it?
If you are against WW3 then you should be against the bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities. Bombing another country is an act of war, we are in another war now. It is not our place to decide what countries are and aren’t allowed to invest in nuclear technology.
Nuclear reactors are a peaceful technology that provides lots of clean power. Nuclear weapons are a deterrent for invasions and attacks. If Iran actually had nuclear weapons they would have been flaunting them to keep Dump in check.
The bombings of their fissile material enrichment facilities really doesn’t bother me.
This sentiment is exactly why Iran and other countries WILL get nukes.
No, they will not.
Either they get nukes or the US and Israel will turn them into the next Gaza.
Starting?
Israel and Iran have been at war for decades.
We aren’t the fucking police.
Don’t want to be. Do you want religious extremists to have nukes?
Frankly, I do want Iran to have nukes. The region is so unstable precisely because there is one aggressive expansionist military power in the region, with no other nuclear power to balance them out. Iran hasn’t declared war on another country for over two centuries. Israel is currently invading, occupying, or bombing the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and Iran. And they’re led by a radical religious movement explicitly hellbent on expanding Israel’s borders from the Nile to the Euphrates, gobbling up entire nations in the process.
You’re damn right I want Iran to have nukes. All evidence suggests they will be far more responsible with them than Israel is.
America has had them for a long time.
Beat me to it
WE ALREADY DO!
Do you want religious extremists to have nukes?
Israel and the USA already have nukes
We already have nukes and let religious extremists control them in the US.
Maybe we should do something about that first.
Yes, the country seems to be going backwards, but I don’t believe that anyone reasonable in the US would agree to nuking another country for religious reasons. Iran might.
Donald Trump literally said 2 days ago he was thinking about nuking Iran.
Come back to the real world, we’re no better than them and we’re proving it on a global stage right now.
Look I don’t disagree. I’m not happy with the way things are going here. That doesn’t change the fact that Iran with a nuke would be a bad thing. If Joe Biden did this you’d be looking for ways to defend it. I am not a Trump fan at all. You can see my comment history. I’m just talking about the world as it is, not the world as we would like it to be.
Chuck Schumer fucking sucks.
I’ve hated him since he forced Al Franken to resign rather than defend him over a cheap Republican smear job. The smug little creep embodies everything that is wrong with the Democratic party. It’s long past time for him to go.
Al Franken forciblely kissed Leann Tweeden and was photographed feeling her up while she was asleep. Fuck Al Franken and fuck anyone who would defend that behavior.
Are you referring to this photo?
Yes, he is definitely “groping” her here… Jfc.
And the kissing thing was definitely unacceptable, but hardly worth the amount of scandal it received.
She said Franken, a former “Saturday Night Live” cast member and liberal activist who was elected to the Senate in 2008 and won a second term in 2014, insisted on rehearsing the scene backstage.
“He said to me, ‘We need to rehearse the kiss.’ I laughed and ignored him. Then he said it again. I said something like, ‘Relax Al, this isn’t SNL. … We don’t need to rehearse the kiss’,” she wrote in a lengthy and detailed post on KABC’s website.
“He continued to insist, and I was beginning to get uncomfortable.”
Tweeden said she reluctantly agreed to rehearse the line leading up to the kiss and that’s when Franken “came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.”
“I immediately pushed him away with both of my hands against his chest and told him if he ever did that to me again I wouldn’t be so nice about it the next time,” she said. “I felt disgusted and violated.”
Franken, through a spokesperson, responded: “I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann.”
I will add that the GOP also amplified the issue 100x. The fact that Trump of all people was tweeting out against Franken is peak hypocrisy.
Yes, he is definitely “groping” her here… Jfc.
Yes, he’s groping an unconscious woman.
Tweeden said she reluctantly agreed to rehearse the line leading up to the kiss and that’s when Franken “came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.”
That’s sexual assault, and it’s unacceptable regardless of which political party the perpetrator represents. A normal person could get arrested for this.
The fact that Trump of all people was tweeting out against Franken is peak hypocrisy.
I agree, but aren’t the democrats supposed to be better than him?
He wasn’t groping her, it was a perspective trick. You can even see the shadows from the flash.
This all happened long BEFORE he was a Senator, during a tour of the troops, where she was the customary Playboy model who would play her part in various risque sketches to entertain the troops. She knew about the picture and thought is was funny at the time.
Later, she became a regular feature on Hannity’s show, and one day they brought up this picture. It was the peak of the Me Too witch hunt, and feminists were going after anything they could. The Republicans decided to weaponize this photo, and other Trumpets jumped on it, and made totally unsubstantiated claims.
At the same time Schumer and his state Senate mate Kirsten Gillibrand were plotting her run for president, and were afraid Al would run, too. Al is super smart, extremely funny, very fast on his feet, and is a masterful campaigner. He would clean up in a Democratic primary.
So Schumer used that nasty Republican smear job to order him to resign. Al wanted a hearing by the ethics committee, but Schumer refused, and demanded his resignation.
Of course, Al was an unapologetic Progressive who was a strong supporter of Medicare 4 All, so Schumer wanted him out for that, too. Can’t have a guy like that in the White House.
Imagine if we had Al Franken humiliating HitlerPig on a daily basis.
Whether you believe he’s groping her or not, this
Tweeden said she reluctantly agreed to rehearse the line leading up to the kiss and that’s when Franken “came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.”
should have landed him in jail.
It was the peak of the Me Too witch hunt, and feminists were going after anything they could.
Most of the men caught up in the me too movement deserved it. Because of shit like I quoted above.
Imagine if we had Al Franken humiliating HitlerPig on a daily basis.
Sounds like the way he treated women was about on par with trump. He sexually assaulted that woman.
And this woman
“My husband steps away from us to take the photo. I stand next to Sen. Franken and he pulls me into him and then he moves his hand to my butt,”
And this woman
“When he put his arm around me, he groped my right breast. He kept his hand all the way over on my breast,”
I’ve stayed away from the anonymous accusers, but I’ll throw an honorable mention to the anonymous elected official who said
He took it [her hand] and leaned toward me with his mouth open. I turned my head away from him and he landed a wet, open-mouthed kiss awkwardly on my cheek,"
Based on this behavior, I don’t care what his policies are or which party he represents. The man is a predator and he should be in jail or counseling. He definitely doesn’t belong in our government
This is the word of a Conservative Sean Hannity operative, who later RETRACTED her statement when it led to his resignation.
It seemed like she actually liked Franken, but in her job as a Hannity operative, she decided to use her connection to him to stir up trouble, and it went further than she expected.
So EVERYTHING she said has to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. She never had to testify under oath, and there wasn’t a single other witness to any of her claims, and she later apologized for how far it went, and expressed regret that she had hurt him so badly.
It was nothing but a Republican smear job, and Schumer jumped on it for his own dirty purposes. Whether you believe the story or not, Schumer had an obligation to resist it and protect his Senator, and he decided to side with the enemy.
As for the rest of his “accusers,” they were all people who got their photos taken at his famous cattle-call photo sessions at the Minnesota State Fair, where he took thousands of photos. He had about 10 seconds with each person, they come up, he grabs them, pulls them in close, smiles, and they snap the photo. In thousands of lightning fast photos, could his hand have landed somewhere odd? Almost certainly. That isn’t assault, it’s just an accident. It’s like accusing someone of sexual assault because someone accidentally briefly touched your body on a crowded bus.
Every person who accused him of inappropriate touching was a rabid Trumper, happy to jump on the smear campaign to destroy Franken. None of them had EVER made the claim before, even in private. One person even claimed he didn’t grab her anywhere inappropriate, she just “knew” it was sexual. Remember, all these accusers waited in a long line to smile and get their picture taken with Al, and never said a word about it until they broke for Trump, and then this smear campaign started. Suddenly, they were traumatized by an assault years before that they had never mentioned to anyone before. And again, none of them ever had to testify to their story under oath. They are all people who follow a guy who is a proven traitor, rapist, racist, who weaponizes lying on a daily basis. Why wouldn’t his rabid fans feel like they can do it too, “for the cause?”
And by the way, NONE of the photographs showed Franken doing anything inappropriate, but because there was no hearings, that was never talked about. One woman claimed he cupped her whole breast for the photo, so where’s the photo? Why didn’t she say anything at the time? Why would Franken sexually assault anyone, knowing it was going to be PHOTOGRAPHED? None of it stand up to the slightest Critical Thinking Skills
Then there were the anonymous accusers who don’t count at all. If you won’t give your name, then you, and your unsubstantiated, unwitnessed, anonymous story, don’t exist. Period.
Maybe he did it, but we’ll never know, because Schumer REFUSED to allow Al to have a hearing in front of the Ethics committee where he could have defended himself, and confronted his accusers. We are complaining because MAGA NAZIs are denying Due Process to immigrants, but here’s a case when the leading Senate Democrat denied Due Process to one of his own.
Schumer betrayed Al Franken, and he betrayed us, by flushing a solid, honest man who had an excellent chance of being president, and establishing a Progressive agenda. It’s vitally important to recognize this incident for what it really was - the Democratic Leadership protecting their own neo-Liberal, Republican-Lite agenda that has led to the rise and dominance of the the MAGA Nazis. Chuck Schumer was the architect of that assault on Al Franken’s reputation, helping the MAGA Nazis rise to power, and he is STILL in that position.
Schumer is standing in the way of the rebellion, and he needs to resign, or be primaried out of office.
Money. They support it cause they make money. Always been this way