YTG123

May I remind you that Israel also (allegedly) has nukes?

Yup, this is all self-preservation to him from the start. Watch him keep this going for a few more years, then come up with an excuse to “delay” the election.

Meanwhile what considers itself the “left” in Israel is still very much genocidal and imperialist.

Until recently I would have agreed with you (other than the actual hard-left which consists of Hadash, Ta’al and Balad, two of them being explicitly Palestinian parties), but recently, and also a few times in the past, the leader of the Israeli Democrats (a new party with a terrible name) said some really based stuff which is a step in the right direction if nothing else. And now they’re trying to take away his military credentials, which just shows that he’s right. But even he can’t abandon liberal Zionism, and a bit of militarism, if he wants anyone to listen to him.

It’s more that the left is small and insignificant, because it has many of the same problems as the left in other right-wing countries: it advertises to a progressive middle class, and completely ignores the lower classes who would most benefit from its policies.

Left-wing policies in Israel will certainly help disadvantaged people, but left-wing (Zionist) parties talk about abstract ideals like “democracy”, instead of material conditions. And citizens who struggle under the cost of living, almost or actually in poverty, don’t care about the type of government they have: they care about surviving to the next day, and left-wing parties have just given up on trying to get their vote.

Essentially my point here is that Israeli society is not fundamentally incompatible with left-wing ideas or policies (leading eventually, hopefully, to anti-Zionism), but left-wing parties have consistently ignored those who need them most, leading them to the right and to distrust the left, effectively digging their own grave.

They did know… it has been explicitly stated that they did. They’re just saying that they don’t take part in it.

That’s an Arabic loan word if I’ve ever seen one