Have a great life man, sounds awesome.

3rd party body you’re referring to was conducted by the same patriotic cult government-in-shock that was just attacked. I meant an international one. No need to start using slurs, makes you look like you can’t win with proper argumentation.

Jet fuel actually can’t melt steel beams, but you know that too, because you’re referring to “engineering lefties who laugh at RBG’s death” and that’s somehow relevant to what I’m saying.

Jet fuel can weaken steel and that can help the collapse, but not at the speed we saw on camera. If you want sources, you can use a search engine. If you like engineers, go find the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth.

Again with the insults of intelligence. You need to work on your reasoning and debating skills.

Even the Reuters fact check calls it misrepresenting, not false. He did say that that day. It didn’t go missing overnight is the “misrepresentation”.

Hypothesis: A close ally of the US attacked the US to coerce them into & drum up public (& international) support for decade long wars to setup more wars so eventually the death cult can have the greater state to control all the holy lands of the middle east.

You may not understand that because you may listen to maniacal laughing engineering podcasts, you don’t understand covert cult power and how these factions have worshipped and warred for their death cult dogmas for centuries. Nor do you seem to grasp how human psychology and mass psychosis works.

You are good at trying to make people ont he internet feel small though. Digital chest bouncing isn’t really a Lemmy thing here, we try to have respectful dialogue. If you can’t do that, Reddit will probably gladly take you back.

Clearly I didn’t communicate very well. I was positing that people then to view it as a polar choice. SO if it wasn’t Al Qaida, it must have been Bush… It is the base premise, from a country thinking between two sports clubs at a superbowl, to 2 major parties, to good and evil concepts. When you make certain accusations to certain foreign intelligence agencies (where did I write US foreign intelligence agencies?) then you don’t name them.

Anyway, seeing how you’re a Commission Report apologist who doesn’t understand

• buildings, no matter their construction cannot fall at near free fall speed.
• The Pentagon, even in 2001 was a highly secured building, there were many CCTV angles of the pentagon covering the impact.
• the uncommon nature of a 2 trillion $ going missing EVER, let a lone the day before, let alone the value of that money that day.

And most interestingly, people like you always assume that people who say it certainly wasn’t what the official story says it was, then have to offer a complete fully funded investigation and propose exactly what happened to the random arbitration of your satisfaction. How about they did an actual investigation first? Like a criminal investigation by an impartial 3rd party body?

The reason they got away with it is because the bigger the lie, the more people believe it, and a vast majority of the population is raised so lovingly that that can’t imagine anyone doing such a cowardly, manipulative narcissistic act in order to move a hidden agenda forward.

All the rest isn’t really worth engaging any further in, as you don’t get the basics down, and can’t open yourself up to my hypothesis. I have considered and studied most of yours.

Don’t get me wrong, I would trade that part of my consciousness, as I see lots of people live much simpler and happier lives by believing the official story.

Your assumptions preventing from giving this serious consideration:

• Bush or Americans were behind 9/11
• there has been any blowback for any of the staged military conflicts since WWII?

I’ll put the TLDR here: 911 was a brazen cascade foreign intelligence agency assault on the United States. The president and the cabinet were made aware of the impending attack. The attack A three stage attack comprising of wtc pentagon and the capitol. The demand was to start wars and at least outlined by Netanyahu in previous months and years in front of the UN security council. First Afghanistan, then Iraq then Syria than Lebanon and Iran. After each attack occurred to stop the other planes or let them reach their destination.

Most likely the US was also told that these were Arabs doing this, And that this foreign intelligence agency could stop them at any moment if they agreed to their terms.

Every year since 911, With every action on every front and the Middle East, including the genocide and the US backed insurgency of Syria, one can see this plan come to fruition.

Consider:

• US has been a nuclear superpower since 1944.
• The USA did not just win WWII, And performed a military annexation of mainland Europe. This meant that the most free thinking and democratic part of the world will always think twice before criticising their ‘ally’
• If you’re a massive country but not US aligned, how do you military strategise against that? China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, not to mention the some off the other allies would all have made various attempts and some successful to infiltrate the country they can’t attack without risking the end of the world. You think they sat still for half a century? The US is an active culture ending threat if you’re not aligned with them.
• middle eastern policy has been dictated by a zionist death cult for decades if not centuries. They are very well funded, highly intelligent and organised and have their own spooks that can make any assassination look like an accident.
• for the longest time, the most common used method of an oppressor or aggressor is to either attack itself and pin the blame on the soon to be enemy, or to annoy the enemy enough and pester and poke them until they October 7 you (still make sure all border guards are down so they can do it unhindered)
• a bunch of barely trained pilots fly 4 airliners directly to their destination, perfectly synchronised all within the same couple of hours in the most heavily guarded airspaces in the world and with the most sophisticated airliners…
• the military just happens to be doing anti hijacking drills at the exact time of events
• 3 massive steel structure buildings collaping at near freefall speed (1, 2 and 7)
• the impact ring of the pentagon being enforced just months prior to the missile plane hitting it.
• no cctv footage of the plane hitting pentagon released till this day, bar a couple of video frames from one angle
• Sec Def announcement the day before that 2 trillion dollars of the military budget went missing
• the massive amount of quick actions that followed in the fog of war in the hours and days later, how and why wtc7 was brought down, why the steel was shipped to China without investigation

Your take is fine if you only briefly glance at it. Spend any more than 30 minutes on it and you’ll understand why we live in a clickbait, fast news distraction meme culture.

Understanding 9/11 is how I understand US foreign policy ever since. We’re living in Animal Farm, and the world has let the world’s bully do what it did out of gratitude for WWII and because you keep your worst enemy closer than your friends.

I understand where you’re coming from with this angle, but you’re wrong. Very few people need to be involved to get this done. Also, just like with other conspiracy theories that are still publicly frowned upon but highly probably true: I wouldn’t count on internal US people to do the ground work either.

It is very likely the machines were fixed early to mid 2024. I agree that the UPS theory or starlink is ridiculous.

I’ve written more here if you want to understand the broader angle. https://lemmy.world/post/27126084

These two ladies are worth a listen too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk1A-tLIaXY