I agree that this is a significant issue / problem for democratic countries, and that the trend of violence towards journalists in America is an obvious concern.
That said, the media has generally turned a blind eye as Israel killed a record number of journalists the past few years - and not only that, but they continued to broadcast out that regimes narrative. Given that the media / journalists “at large” have ignored this sort of issue in another “democratic” country that’s gone authoritarian, I find it totally unsurprising that another authoritarian-trending regime feels emboldened / empowered to treat journalists the same.
Hi all, I hope people hear this and the post is not hidden. This is an insecure system, and talking on here about things you want to or will do will be used by the regime.
Please take this as it is meant. I fully appreciate the anger and the pain you are all feeling, and you are totally right to fight, but you must fight smart.
DO NOT LET YOUR ANGER GET THE BEST OF YOU. If this goes the way it’s looking like it might, direct fights with whatfever is left of the States’ forces is suicide, and the good guys need all the boots on the ground you can muster.
There are many veterans of the war on terror who are literal experts on the tactics needed to win this; seek them out.
Assume all coms are monitored because they are. Look after each other, people.
A friend who knows the score.
Trump should be impeached for this, and many other high crimes and misdemeanors in recent months.
I think it’s about time the press and protesters start showing up strapped. These people clearly don’t have any fear and are just power tripping on people for simply being there. Put the fear of God back into these pigs.
The people of sh.it.just.works and Lemmy.world both loved to try and act like I was out of line for calling for open carry the other night. Unfortunately California state law doesn’t allow for it. I think that it’s the only way to get them to back off with the Marines, the National Guard and with ICE though. If they’re not going to be afraid of us then they’re never going to change and the people saying “don’t give them a reason to escalate” will keep saying that up to the first battles at which point they’ll run and cower.
Fun fact, the real wave of gun restrictions started with the Black Panthers open carrying in California back in in the 60s.
https://www.history.com/articles/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act
That led to the Mulford Act:
I hope Newsom puts forward legislation to eliminate the Mulford Act. That would give the Neoconfederates serious pause.
The state law made by fucking Reagan and should thusly be ignored.
Jury nullification, baby. Just make sure you’re headed in front of your peers and not getting dumped into a concentration camp in El Salvador.
Completely agree. We should have gotten rid of the law. It was born out of racism and restricts our rights in Cali.
Escalation to violence is exactly what they want. It gives them all the justification they need to invoke the Insurrection Act, declare martial law and suspend your Constitutional rights. And not just in California.
If they want escalation then they can take it when ever they want. Police just wear plain clothes and throw a brick. Bam and done, at this point it’s best to just assume violence and act accusingly, it’s not like the media are impartial.
Escalation to violence is exactly what they want.
Are you sure? It seems like the escalation is what they don’t want. And that’s why they’re having to call in the marines to try and scare people back into submission.
Passive acquiescence and blind obedience is what they want. That’s why the news media is so eager to label these protests as abnormal, intolerable, and anti-American. If the conservatives wanted protests, they wouldn’t be so eager to censor the protests’ advocates and so worried about valorizing these opposition efforts.
Is that why they’re shooting random protesters with rubber bullets, even though there’s no justification? What are they trying to “prevent”?
Further protest and disruption of ICE raids by protesters.
Protesters urged not to give trump administration pretext for what it is already doing
edit: Oh, what the hell. Let’s add a snippet.
Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass publicly urged protesters Monday not to give the Trump administration any pretext for what they’re already doing and will keep doing no matter what. “Angelenos—don’t engage in violence and give the administration an excuse to inflict all the damage they have been inflicting carte blanche for months on end,” said Bass, adding that Trump and his team are just looking for a reason to respond with violence, as they would have done whether or not any of this happened.
That’s an Onion article. You can tell because Trump hasn’t been shooting protesters for months already. That’s what comes next. And that’s when it stops being a protest, and turns into a civil war.
Don’t be so eager to make that happen.
Maybe if we just ask nicely he will stop. Has anyone tried doing that?
He’s already ordered soldiers in, who have shot journalists and protestors
That was the police that shot them. Not soldiers.
There is a massive difference between rubber bullets and live ammunition.
There’s a marginal difference. “Less lethal” rounds are still lethal when they’re fired directly at people, particularly if the wounded are denied medical attention and are subjected to further police violence after they’ve been injured.
Dude…that is a massive difference.
It’s looking pretty inevitable at this point.
Only if people go into this looking for it.
All it takes is a single police officer to put on plain clothes and to throw a brick. They do that on the regular, let’s stop this “don’t do ANYTHING disruptive or could be considered violent! It will escalate!” Nonsense
So, by that logic, protesters should use violence? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, if the police are already going to frame them, then we should just give them what they want, and turn this into an all out massacre?
Man, you guys are trying so hard to start a civil war. it’s pretty transparent at this point, who you’re working for.
You mean like the Trump administration?
Why would I reject the good timeline where the fascist superpower has a civil war instead of destroying the world?
If you’ve already decided that you want a civil war, then Trump doesn’t need to find an excuse. You’re going to force his hand. And any possibility that those soldiers might be on your side, disappears.
Fucking lol
Something tells me you’d be right there with them
Problem is the situation won’t improve without an escalation
No. The problem is, the situation will only get worse with escalation. Not better.
We had six months without protests. The administration seemed happy to escalate in their absence.
What if these protests aren’t what’s driving public policy? What if the problem is the administration itself and not the people reacting to the violence they’re inflicting on the locals?
And ask yourself this. If ICE came into your city, what kind of community would you want to live in? One where your neighbors took to the streets to shut down the police convoys and scare off these thugs? Or one where friendly neighbors locked their doors and hid, while reactionary neighbors singled you out for the police to grab?
I’m not opposed to protests…the LA protests in particular. I’m opposed to violent confrontations with Trump’s thugs. I’m opposed to citizens being the ones to escalate the situation. Trump already wants this. All I’m saying is don’t give him what he wants. Let them be the ones to escalate. We all know it’s coming…so why give him the satisfaction of making him look justified?
Don’t just hand him an excuse. Stare them straight in the eyes, and make them take it. That’s what protesting is all about. Your defiance is not about hitting back…it’s about taking a hit, and standing up again. Make them look like the bullies they are. Don’t legitimize their excuses. Prove that they’re hollow.
I’m opposed to citizens being the ones to escalate the situation.
“Stop resisting! Stop resisting!”
Don’t just hand him an excuse.
The excuse was the existence of Hispanic people in Paramount, California. Everything that followed was a consequence of Trump’s bigoted pogrom against Latinos.
Make them look like the bullies they are.
They already do. But slapping the “bully” bumper sticker on an ICE truck full of your neighbors does nothing to get them out of that truck.
What the people of LA are doing is so much more than optics. They are actively saving lives and guarding their friends and neighbors from police violence.
They are resisting in the most material and direct way anyone can ask.
What the people of LA are doing is so much more than optics. They are actively saving lives and guarding their friends and neighbors from police violence.
They are resisting in the most material and direct way anyone can ask.
That is true. But escalation will get those friends and neighbors killed.
Californians have a right to defend themselves
I didn’t say start blasting. Right wingers show up strapped all the time showing they mean business and are given plenty of space as a consequence. The cops can do the same for other Americans. If they can’t then it shows the public that it was never about individual rights and all about allowing one group they favor to get away with it.
Where does the goal post moving stop? It’s not an escalation of violence if you don’t use it. It’s a threat to escalate to violence. If they aren’t afraid of you then they’re not going to change.
When they declare martial law are you going to be saying the same thing and hoping by just chanting loudly you change their mind?
So what? Do you just watch until you’re being herded into concentration camps anyway? This is the first instance of effective resistance to Trump (the April parades don’t count) since January and they’re calling in the Marines already. This was simply never going to end peacefully, because any effective act of mass resistance was going to be suppressed violently; avoiding escalation means avoiding resistance.
Edit: This person is not arguing in good faith. I cornered them in this thread and they claimed that ICE won’t shoot people unless provoked and then that they’re shooting people to provoke an escalation. Their argument seems to hinge on the idea that rubber bullets are harmless pranks you should just suck up.
Resistance doesn’t have to include escalation. Leave that to them…they are going to escalate anyway. If the protesters are the ones doing it, then they just handed Trump exactly what he wants…a legal justification for his actions.
Neither Trump nor his followers give a flying fuck about legal justifications, and any so-called moderate who cares about that is a fascist in denial. Solidarity is indispensible when fighting tyranny, and solidarity demands that when members of your community are being kidnapped by the Gestapo you fight back, not watch and cry about legal justifications.
Man, I would love to be as delusional as you are. It must be so much fun thinking life is like a video game.
Look, if your strategy and tactics prevent you from protecting your own neighbors you’ve already lost the plot.
How does getting your neighbors killed, “protect” them? Those people are already doing enough to protect their neighbors right now. How would starting an all-out civil war, protect anyone?
You’re not wrong but you’re on the wrong instance if your solution isn’t just ‘hold hands and vote for black trump with a d next to their name next election’.
Are you OK?
Not helpful
Uncomfortable truth: violence has solved some of the largest issues across the history of humanity.
All, all of the big issues.
yeah its also created some of the biggest problems
all wars, all genocides ect, that’s pretty bad stuff
Violence didn’t create war or genocide, those are a result of nationalism and racism, respectively. Violence is the means used to accomplish the goal, but the motivation is what does the creating.
To be clear I’m not pro-violence or something, but it is kinda funny to me when you hear “violence is the answer” and open a history book to see time and time again that violence is the answer for quite a few problems.
Your apathy is even less helpful.
Get out there and shoot then
I’d prefer to not give Trump a reason to use the Insurrection Act.
They made up a reason to deploy marines in LA. They’ll make up a reason to do that too. Violence is inevitable at this point. Resist anyway.
I’m not pro-starting-the-shooting either but let’s be real, he will find an excuse to use it whether people fight back or not.
We can stop pretending he has any restraint we aren’t even six months in.
Tell me how every dictatorship has been overthrown. I’ll give you a hint: those that chastize calls for retaliation tend to be labeled “fascist sympathizers” by history.
Crooks don’t like being told on.
Congratulations no-voters. You brought Israel to America.
It should be thank you to the non voters. They have merely removed the veneer of morality and democracy from the face of US.
Remember the snipers in college sent by Biden against students participating in Anti-Israel protests.
Thank you so fucking much.
Come on just own the country, from manifest destiny to slavery. From exporting dictators to exporting genocide.
You being uncomfortable doesn’t change the country.
Do you always blindly consume right wing propaganda?
The right wing doesn’t live in reality and neither do you.
You can’t enable atrocities abroad without them coming home to roost. Congrats to all US voters of the last 250 years.
Reporter Ruben Salazar March 3, 1928 – August 29, 1970. Murdered by the LASD.
During the march, Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputy Thomas Wilson struck and immediately killed Salazar with a tear-gas projectile. No criminal charge was filed, but Salazar’s family reached an out-of-court financial settlement with the county.
Classic USA
Sounds Israel and Russia. Trump has been studying hard and taking out the journos is the first step.
Trump hasn’t studied shit. His enablers and handlers have, though.
Exactly. You’re out of your mind if you think taco is sitting at a desk writing executive orders before signing them. The fucking project 2025 people he has in the white house are doing exactly what they’ve been saying they’ll do. Taco just rubber stamps it and blathers on social media.
“ALCARAZ”?
What is Alcaraz?
Carlos
