• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
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        16 days ago

        Incredible how Kier is a pro-Israel or pro-Hamas shill depending on who you talk to.

        In either case, there’s one thing both of these groups of people agree on: anything bad that happens in the UK (or apparently the middle east) is Starmer’s fault.

        I genuinely don’t see how you could think the race riots were due to Starmer. Where does this conspiracy even come from?

        Some psychopath attacked some girls and the far right pushed misinformation online, which was further amplified by the likes of Musk and social media algorithms.

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          Incredible how Starmer illegally sends weapons to Israel during an arms embargo, overthrows Corbyn for being anti-Israel, and magically there’s still people thinking that becuase Netanyahu calls him Hamas for saying starving kids is bad (while sending the weapons to starve those kids) he must be a good centrist guy.

          Starmer like American Democrats has adopted every Republican talking point and does nothing but shift to the right. If you can’t see how the race riots are Starmers fault you should watch some Owen Jones videoss

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            15 days ago

            Starmer illegally sends weapons to Israel

            Starmer does not send weapons to Israel.

            overthrows Corbyn

            Starmer didn’t “overthrow” Corbyn. He won a leadership election after Corbyn voluntarily stepped down following a crushing General Election defeat.

            Netanyahu calls him Hamas for saying starving kids is bad

            I’m sorry, are you upset that Kier is against humanity rights violations?

            while sending the weapons to starve those kids

            Again, no he isn’t. Please stop lying.

            he must be a good centrist guy.

            I mean, he is pretty centrist. I dunno what kind of goggles you must be wearing that makes you think he’s not.

            Starmer like American Democrats has adopted every Republican talking point and does nothing but shift to the right

            Except he hasn’t. Anybody who looks at Labour and thinks they’re the same as the Tories or Reform are crazy. Bloody hell, there’s been three nationalisations in the past handful of months, for example. Not exactly very right wing, is it? Nor is stuff like VAT on private schools.

            If you can’t see how the race riots are Starmers fault you should watch some Owen Jones videoss

            Starmer has nothing to do with the race riots, only a Muppet would believe nonsensical conspiracy theories like that.

            Owen Jones is a clown who hasn’t stopped crying since Corbyn quit. He should move on and so should you. He isn’t coming back.

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              15 days ago

              Owen Jones wasn’t actually actually a supporter of Corbyn and was quite public about his criticisms of the possibility of a Corbyn victory (Corbyn’s close supporters regard Owen’s actions as part of the campaign against him).

              While Starmer didn’t personally “overthrow” Corbyn, he was part of the internal Labour Party’s milieu that sought to work against the Corbyn leadership during the election. The former British diplomat, Craig Murray asserts that Starmer has always been a state asset/agent and was moved into a position where he would be able to take comtrol of a Labour Party that was moving Left and becoming a mass, popular party.

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                15 days ago

                In the beginning he wasn’t, but then we was. And I live in the here and now, not in 2017.

                While Starmer didn’t personally “overthrow” Corbyn

                Nobody overthrew Corbyn. Corbyn stepped down after Johnson comprehensively beat him.

                Craig Murray asserts that Starmer has always been a state asset/agent and was moved into a position where he would be able to take comtrol

                Jesus. What a wild conspiracy theory. Starmer is a secret agent put in place to make Labour more centrist. 007 Starmer.

                In reality, of course, he was an MP who stood for Labour leader and won the party election.

                of a Labour Party that was moving Left and becoming a mass, popular party.

                They had a crushing defeat. They weren’t popular.

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                  14 days ago

                  Of course, in your reality there’s no state infiltration of organisations. No women made pregnant by undercover agent-provocateur-cops. No 2000 groups in which state agents rose to leadership posts. No knighted lawyers who could be used to ensure that a mass leftwing party toed the line during a period of economic hardship. No organised anti-semetic smearing of a popular left-wing politician…

                  No, it’s a world of everything being how it appears and fairness, honesty and decency. Honest politicians and democratic votes. Oh, to have such a view of politics.

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                    14 days ago

                    Jesus Christ. You are deep down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. What’s next, 5G controls our brains? Chemtrails? Jewish space lasers?