I guess my question is who gave the Americans the right? I say this as an American. But would not the world be a better place if we just minded our own business and quit nation building and stoking non existant fires?
I guess my question is who gave the Americans the right? I say this as an American. But would not the world be a better place if we just minded our own business and quit nation building and stoking non existant fires?
And it did so by means of rape and genocide. Our Soviet aligned government took 2 years to get rid of an epidemic of syphilis after they were through.
It was just another conquering imperialistic power
Give me a numeric source for the rape. Spoiler alert: you won’t find any serious study because it’s literally Nazi propaganda.
Can you link me to the syphylis thing?
There is a serious study published just a few years ago, titled “Törvényes” Megszállás, by the Hungarian National Archives. It is basically a compilation of the official letters sent around by the administration in that era.
Here is a link so you can purchase the book if you are actually interested, it’s in Hungarian though, full of archaic 1945-contemporary phrases:
https://www.libri.hu/konyv/l_balogh_beni.torvenyes-megszallas.html
Widespread rapes happening is not and never was a disputed fact, not even by the occupiers. In fact, the Stalinist leader of the Hungarian Communist Party was petitioning Stalin to rein in his soldiers, as the atrocities committed by the Red Army were weakening his election chances. The Budapest Council after its establishment at the start of the occupation had its first order of business to make abortion legal and free, temporarily.
There is indeed a discussion on how many rapes happened, but the low number admitted by the authorities back then is 50 thousand victims, with many of them being raped multiple times, just in the capital. The reconstructed number from official descriptions that were never collated during the occupation is 200 thousand, meaning more than a third of all women living there. Other missives from doctors in Budapest complain about that it’s not just that they were overwhelmed by the wave of female patients who were seriously injured from the violence inflicted upon them, but that there was a wave of fungal infections following the rape wave, which was then followed by a wave of syphilis patients, as symptoms became apparent. Syphilis medicine was in short supply, as the Red Army confiscated most of it to treat their own men.
This wasn’t confined to Budapest either, on Nagyszékely, the local doctor reported that 60% of the female population had an STD, aged from 16 to 78. On Kecskemét, the (Soviet-installed) mayor reports 193 civilians were murdered by Red Army soldiers in half a year, and people were unwilling to do any overtime since they wouldn’t leave their families alone after dark. The mayor also complains of a notable uptick in suicides specifically among men unable to cope with their daughters or wives being raped and murdered.
There was also widespread robbery. The train on which the attendees of the Congress of Civil Engineers were travelling back home was robbed, to the point that they even took their clothes away from around 50 people. The Pest county Union Secretary has been robbed of his bike by Russians three times in a row. Red Army troops were going around the countryside, confiscating carts and horses from peasants working their fields.
And then there was the Malenkij Robot, which had, similarly to when the German occupation rounded up Jews and took them away to death camps, this time it was the Soviet occupation rounding up Germans to take them away to death camps. There are widespread reports of them not being selective, in Vencsellő, the Russian lieutenant ordered everyone between 16 and 45 rounded up, threatening the local council secretary with summary execution if they missed even one person.
All in all, 300 thousand people died in forced labour camps.
So, fuck Russia.
Hungary in 1941 was an Axis power. Whatever “information” coming from “a Hungarian doctor” would literally be like basing a study on what “Nazi doctors” had to say about Soviet troops in Germany, literally no reason to take it seriously, as i said it’s Nazi propaganda. Furthermore, this is a contemporary study paid for with EU money and carried out by a Hungarian government agency. Why do you take so seriously anti-Russian governments made propaganda? If you’re Hungarian and you’re against the Soviets, I have bad news: you’re standing with the Nazis.
1945-46, not 1941. There were no Russian troops in Hungary in 41, nor were there any in Germany for that matter. These missives were sent by and to the Communist Party officials in Hungary, same people who executed Szálasi Ferenc.
So this is a pro Russian government collecting the data, and the study is literally just collating the data and it doesn’t even make conclusions, it’s just a collection of data so you don’t have to fish for it in the Archives.
Fair enough, I can’t read Hungarian.
Now, do you have any sources of rape statistics by Nazis in Belarus, or by Americans in west-germany? Or maybe those things weren’t studied and publicised because that would be against the objective of propagating anticommunist propaganda?
BTW, why is your focus on Russians? Don’t you know the Red Army had sizeable proportions of Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakh, and many of the ethnical minorities within Russia proper?
I guess the Belarusians do. About the Americans, I (and to be honest the whole country of Hungary) has no love lost for them either. Our family lost relatives in American bombings. One could say our country deserved it for going to war, but Hungary wasn’t really a free democratic country back then, it was at best a military dictatorship. You could also say Hungary is exploited by corporations today and has a bad case of neoliberalism, but that’s coming more from the Germans than the US. Fuck Merkel BTW.
My focus is on Russians because the troops raping and robbing throughout the land were ordered and supervised by Moscow. There is literally no difference between a Russian, an Ukrainian a Hungarian or an American with regards to whether they would rape people or rob people. Those people were also kids taken from home and sent against German machineguns to die. Btw I also don’t subscribe to the “human wave” BS if you want to know. The difference on whether an army will rape everything in sight or if they act as a “decent” occupying force is decided when an officer rapes someone, will it get overlooked, or will that person end up being shot. In the Red Army, it was mixed, and depended on their superior. Plenty of Red Army soldiers got executed summarily by their superiors for rape and murder, but the Red Army in general did not care.
The result is a deeply sick society in these “liberated” countries that you can see in Hungary and Poland where people are overcompensating in politics, and we get idiots like Orbán elected. There is a measurable regression in women’s rights as well in Hungary compared to the neighbours, which started when people coped by treating rape as “not a big deal” in the 40s, since the alternative would have been that they have been powerless to protect their loved ones from the unspeakable. Many people committed suicide as I’ve mentioned. And now we have the only EU country that is not a signatory to the Istambul agreement. This has been extensively studied as well, by communists as well.
I’m not even anti-communist BTW. I just think that condoning rape and murder, a cult of personality and a lot of what was coming from Moscow was not good for communism as a whole either. The stupid thing was that communism was actually popular in Hungary after WWII after people witnessed the horrors of fascism first-hand. But that turned sour when the Soviets tried forcing an idiotic economic plan (heavy industry on a country that is basically one big grainfield with no minerals), and when the resulting economic hardships and friction resulted in a local communist-led revolt against the Soviet occupiers, which the Soviets brutally crushed, leading to brutal repression and a perpetual occupation.