So the story is that the US and our allies, who have spent decades villifying imprisoning and killing muslims, and who have repeatedly verifiably lied about similar human rights abuses to justify our foreign policy before, are the only ones who can be trusted to tell the truth about the conditions for muslims who just happen to be living in the country which is our single greatest global rival politically and economically, about whom we have an extremely obvious foreign policy motive for lying, but we’re definitely telling the truth this time and everyone else is lying? Every muslim majority nation on earth is apparently only supporting China because they’re either corrupt or too terrified to oppose them, despite the fact that the US has been completely unable to get similar results for Israel with our best efforts? And despite having the most advanced surveillance technology on earth, despite having satellites that can take high resolution pictures of any patch of dirt on earth and an unmatched intelligence network, the US has somehow been unable to obtain any incontrovertible physical evidence of this supposed genocide for years? And you believe that?
The US is not to be trusted and loves to manipulate the narrative. It’s good to fact check it, as the US does not have the Uighur people’s lived experience at heart.
Unfortunately, not does the PRC (and inviting journalists from friendly Muslim nations to talk to locals on camera to say everything is fine is one way to narrative shift and give a good media blitz). And while the PRC is probably not targeting Uighurs for organ harvesting any more than any other inmates in the prison system, it is a not a great situation for them there.
There are/were prison camps which provide “vocational training/reeducation”. The many non-Han people of the area are clearly second class citizens, and their cultural spaces have been commodified and turned into tourist spots.
Edit: Bitter Winter also has some stuff, but it’s bloggy and declared by China as “a hostile overseas media operation” … So your milage may vary?
Is this a good faith question? Or are you just looking for a convenient excuse to ignore my argument without having to actually address it? If you have an answer that makes sense, or see a problem with my logic or sources, then I’d love to hear it.
Any reasoning that applies to corrupt leaders of muslim countries in regard to China applies to those same leaders in regard to the US, if they can be bribed or blackmailed by one they can just as easily be bribed or blackmailed by the other, and in addition to any other methods of persuasion the US is far more able to credibly threaten their physical safety than China due to our global military presence and well documented history of successful regime change. If China can get them all to shut up and toe the line on the supposed Uighur genocide then why can’t the US get them to do the same for Palestine? There is no answer that makes sense, especially not for literally every single muslim majority nation on earth. The larger a conspiracy is the more likely it becomes that someone within it will talk, all it would take is a single government official of just one of their governments providing evidence of a payment or threat received from China about this to prove your hypothesis, but no such evidence exists. Either China has discovered some new method for keeping conspirators quiet that we can’t manage despite our resources, or there is no conspiracy.
Your incredulity also makes no sense. We’ve been caught lying to justify our foreign policy repeatedly before and enlisting all of the same major media outlets to cosign those lies that we have supporting these genocide accusations, despite years of diplomatic investigation and covert surveillance we have no substantiating physical evidence for a genocide in China or for the sort of sprawling organizational effort that would be necessary to compel the cooperation of so many separate governments, and we have an obvious motive to lie about all of the above. These are all verifiable facts and absolutely should be convincing to anyone who understands them.
Even the UN gave up on pretending the Uighur genocide is real, you’re pushing outdate propaganda
The UN, where the CCP has veto powers?
China doesn’t have veto power over the UN Human Rights Council, which voted to reject debating this any further, over 2½ years ago: https://xcancel.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330
We don’t allow Xitter links on on dbzer0, can you please change the link to https://xcancel.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 or a screenshot instead? Thanks
ok done
Thanks!
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/asia/uyghurs-muslim-countries-china-intl
https://www.memri.org/tv/saudi-palestinian-ambassadors-china-clean-bill-health-xinjiang-knows-best-internal-affairs-liberal-democracies-not-for-everyone
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/muslim-countries-joined-china-in-defending-its-cultural-genocide-of-uighurs-arent-they-ashamed/2019/07/20/0a7d62b4-aa3f-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.html
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/08/08/2003762216
So the story is that the US and our allies, who have spent decades villifying imprisoning and killing muslims, and who have repeatedly verifiably lied about similar human rights abuses to justify our foreign policy before, are the only ones who can be trusted to tell the truth about the conditions for muslims who just happen to be living in the country which is our single greatest global rival politically and economically, about whom we have an extremely obvious foreign policy motive for lying, but we’re definitely telling the truth this time and everyone else is lying? Every muslim majority nation on earth is apparently only supporting China because they’re either corrupt or too terrified to oppose them, despite the fact that the US has been completely unable to get similar results for Israel with our best efforts? And despite having the most advanced surveillance technology on earth, despite having satellites that can take high resolution pictures of any patch of dirt on earth and an unmatched intelligence network, the US has somehow been unable to obtain any incontrovertible physical evidence of this supposed genocide for years? And you believe that?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/2/china-targets-friendly-media-diplomats-to-tell-story-of-xinjiang
The US is not to be trusted and loves to manipulate the narrative. It’s good to fact check it, as the US does not have the Uighur people’s lived experience at heart.
Unfortunately, not does the PRC (and inviting journalists from friendly Muslim nations to talk to locals on camera to say everything is fine is one way to narrative shift and give a good media blitz). And while the PRC is probably not targeting Uighurs for organ harvesting any more than any other inmates in the prison system, it is a not a great situation for them there.
There are/were prison camps which provide “vocational training/reeducation”. The many non-Han people of the area are clearly second class citizens, and their cultural spaces have been commodified and turned into tourist spots.
Edit: Bitter Winter also has some stuff, but it’s bloggy and declared by China as “a hostile overseas media operation” … So your milage may vary?
Is this an actually good faith inquiry? Are you that deep in the kool aid?
Is this a good faith question? Or are you just looking for a convenient excuse to ignore my argument without having to actually address it? If you have an answer that makes sense, or see a problem with my logic or sources, then I’d love to hear it.
I’m just a bit incredulous that you actually think this argument would be convincing to anyone.
You don’t see any reason why dictators of Muslim countries might want to say nice things about China despite obvious abuses against the Uighurs?
I’ve got to log off but if no one has answered you more seriously later I’ll give it a go.
Any reasoning that applies to corrupt leaders of muslim countries in regard to China applies to those same leaders in regard to the US, if they can be bribed or blackmailed by one they can just as easily be bribed or blackmailed by the other, and in addition to any other methods of persuasion the US is far more able to credibly threaten their physical safety than China due to our global military presence and well documented history of successful regime change. If China can get them all to shut up and toe the line on the supposed Uighur genocide then why can’t the US get them to do the same for Palestine? There is no answer that makes sense, especially not for literally every single muslim majority nation on earth. The larger a conspiracy is the more likely it becomes that someone within it will talk, all it would take is a single government official of just one of their governments providing evidence of a payment or threat received from China about this to prove your hypothesis, but no such evidence exists. Either China has discovered some new method for keeping conspirators quiet that we can’t manage despite our resources, or there is no conspiracy.
Your incredulity also makes no sense. We’ve been caught lying to justify our foreign policy repeatedly before and enlisting all of the same major media outlets to cosign those lies that we have supporting these genocide accusations, despite years of diplomatic investigation and covert surveillance we have no substantiating physical evidence for a genocide in China or for the sort of sprawling organizational effort that would be necessary to compel the cooperation of so many separate governments, and we have an obvious motive to lie about all of the above. These are all verifiable facts and absolutely should be convincing to anyone who understands them.
@fundmecfs this isn’t just a rhetorical question, I’d genuinely love to hear you explain this. Make it make sense for me!